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Old 02-23-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Evolution is certainly true. Macroevolution is certainly true.
The only question is whether the macroevolution that we observe in the fossil record could have occurred without the guidance of some sort of intelligence
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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Evolution is certainly true. Macroevolution is certainly true.
The only question is whether the macroevolution that we observe in the fossil record could have occurred without the guidance of some sort of intelligence
Some evolutionary developments are not necessarily beneficial and would call into question a guiding hand . For example , humans share with one set of apes the inability to make vitamin C , which other apes can make . This is why humans get scurvy without an adequate intake of vitamin C .

In addition, deformities are mutations gone bad . Evolution is a messy and roundabout way to do things if you are planning for an outcome .
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Evolution is certainly true. Macroevolution is certainly true.
The only question is whether the macroevolution that we observe in the fossil record could have occurred without the guidance of some sort of intelligence
You don't really know if the fossil record records macro evolution based on fossil finds. It is just your say-so.

Evolution (that humans came from a single celled amoeba) is certainly false.

The only question is if the creation could have occurred without a Creator.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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Let us suppose that you manufacture and sell radios.
Changing the color of the radios would be microevolution.
We know thats possible.

Now to illustrate macroevolution you just need to change your product to a tv and sell tv's.
But here is the catch, you can only change one small component at a time and at every step along the way your product must remain operative and competitive on the open market.

Think you can do it? 

Given an infinite world and infinite time anything is possible but the earth is far from infinite and 4.5 billion years is far from infinite time

We know that microevolution occurs. We can see it happening when we breed dogs.
We know that macroevolution occurs. We can see it in the fossil record and in comparative genomics.
The only question is whether the macroevolution that we observe in the fossil record could have occurred without the guidance of some sort of intelligence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_genomics
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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Evolution is certainly true. Macroevolution is certainly true.
The only question is whether the macroevolution that we observe in the fossil record could have occurred without the guidance of some sort of intelligence
No. It's not true. And no. It couldn't have happened in the time spans in which scientists claim. And no--God would not have used such a cruel and horrible thing such as evolution.
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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And no--God would not have used such a cruel and horrible thing such as evolution.
I've heard evolution described as many things before, but never as "cruel and horrible." What's no "cruel and horrible" about it?
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:36 AM
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No. It's not true. And no. It couldn't have happened in the time spans in which scientists claim. And no--God would not have used such a cruel and horrible thing such as evolution.
There are none so blind....
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Old 03-11-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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There are none so blind....
So micro-evolution is not cruel and horrible but macro-evolution is? I need a playbill to keep track of all the characters and all the different reasonings. Peculiar thing is, all the "cruel and horrible" aspects of evolution has never stopped. It is still happening.
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Old 03-11-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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No. It's not true. And no. It couldn't have happened in the time spans in which scientists claim. And no--God would not have used such a cruel and horrible thing such as evolution.
...Um...While the time span aspect 'might' be somewhat debatable, I have to check your logic here on the rest of it. This the same God who according to your beliefs (and mine to a somewhat modified degree) flooded the earth killing everyone on the planet, ordered massacres of people of different religions regardless of age and gender, and designed morality so one sin = eternal torture without Jesus (knowing full well it would happen)...and you think evolution is too "cruel and horrible" or simply 'extreme' for God's creative scope?..yeah I think you should rethink that part of your argument...I mean come on, survival of the fittest is practically the center philosophy of that policial system most Christians predominantly support known as Right wing economics! (rimshot) Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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Old 03-11-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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No. It's not true. And no. It couldn't have happened in the time spans in which scientists claim. And no--God would not have used such a cruel and horrible thing such as evolution.


Evolution has been conclusively proven . Genetics has done what creationists have long claimed is not possible, i.e. , showing us that we are related to other primates .

A person really and truly has to be completely dishonest with themselves and with others they discuss this with to try and claim there is no proof of evolution.

Many Christians believe in evolution . The head of the Human Genome Project is a devout evangelical Christian who believes in evolution.

The largest Baptist university in the world and the flagship university of the Southern Baptist Convention, Baylor U, teaches evolution and denies creationism and ID .

The truth of evolution is not in doubt, except with those who refuse to see the truth for theological reasons .
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