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Old 02-24-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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A Catholic theologian once asked the following question about the ethics of the use of fetal tissue in medical care and research.

Who has the greater right to fetal tissue? An adult human being (certainly with a soul) who needs this material to survive or a pre-embryo resulting from the combination of male and female cells in a petri dish?

The Catholic Church’s position is that in vitro fertilization itself is sinful and the practice of in vitro fertilization is forbidden.

The basic IVF product is a cell (embryo) containing half the genes of the father and half the genes of the mother. When combined, the IVF product is a human being just as a fetus conceived naturally and needs only a uterus, time, and nutrients to develop as an adult.

However, in itself this thinking raises some immediate questions from what we now know from biology.

The tissue cells in all humans contain the same genetic material as those resulting from IVF. In the case of “Dolly the Sheep” implantation resulted in an adult of the same species. (Cloning).

All people produce vast numbers of these body cells with a complete genetic sets similar to embryos. Is each of these to be considered a person with full moral and legal rights?

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Old 02-24-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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A Catholic theologian once asked the following question about the ethics of the use of fetal tissue in medical care and research.

Who has the greater right to fetal tissue? An adult human being (certainly with a soul) who needs this material to survive or a pre-embryo resulting from the combination of male and female cells in a petri dish?

The Catholic Church’s position is that in vitro fertilization itself is sinful and the practice of in vitro fertilization is forbidden.

The basic IVF product is a cell (embryo) containing half the genes of the father and half the genes of the mother. When combined, the IVF product is a human being just as a fetus conceived naturally and needs only a uterus, time, and nutrients to develop as an adult.

However, in itself this thinking raises some immediate questions from what we now know from biology.

The tissue cells in all humans contain the same genetic material as those resulting from IVF. In the case of “Dolly the Sheep” implantation resulted in an adult of the same species. (Cloning).

All people produce vast numbers of these body cells with a complete genetic sets similar to embryos. Is each of these to be considered a person with full moral and legal rights?
Does a skin cell become a human being if allowed to develop naturally? Obviously, the answer is "no". Yet, a fertilized egg does become a viable human being if allowed to develop naturally. There's your difference, and it's why a fetus has a right to life.
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Old 02-24-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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The morality is that people do not want to play around in Dr, Frankenstein`s laboratory , were people can be born with deformities , and who is to blame ...... Still this science is not complete , as only the creation from God for life is complete , where science here plays from around with different conception
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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Does a skin cell become a human being if allowed to develop naturally? Obviously, the answer is "no". Yet, a fertilized egg does become a viable human being if allowed to develop naturally. There's your difference, and it's why a fetus has a right to life.
There is NO basis (other than religious teachings that came about in the 1970s) that a fetus is a VIABLE person.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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There is NO basis (other than religious teachings that came about in the 1970s) that a fetus is a VIABLE person.
It does develop into a viable person, though. That's our concern.
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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It does develop into a viable person, though. That's our concern.
100% of the time?

Why do nearly 33% of all pregnancies end with a miscarriage? God's will to KILL these tissue beings?

That is our concern...

An acorn becomes a tree, but one cannot get a 2 x 4 from it, a piece of paper from it and birds cannot nest in an acorn.


The evangelicals need to show MORE concern for the VIABLE PERSON and less for tissue..
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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There is NO basis (other than religious teachings that came about in the 1970s) that a fetus is a VIABLE person.
You mean other than the fact that a human fetus is always and only born a human being? This seems a pretty strong basis.

What's more interesting to me is the question, 'What's the basis for arriving at the conclusion that a human embryo is merely non-human tissue?' What inner forces and content go into creating this sort of judgment?
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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You mean other than the fact that a human fetus is always and only born a human being? This seems a pretty strong basis.

What's more interesting to me is the question, 'What's the basis for arriving at the conclusion that a human embryo is merely non-human tissue?' What inner forces and content go into creating this sort of judgment?
Except for the miscarriages--God's way of saying what? Whoops, he made a mistake??

See my previous links that show the infallible bible tells us when tissue becomes a viable person..

God said, I believe it, so it is true..
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:21 PM
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Except for the miscarriages--God's way of saying what? Whoops, he made a mistake??

See my previous links that show the infallible bible tells us when tissue becomes a viable person..

God said, I believe it, so it is true..
Yes, He did.

Psalm 139:13

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my motherís womb.
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