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Old 03-01-2016, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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My "agenda" is to find out why a President HAS TO be a Christian - and your answers have been nothing but rhetorical nonsense - and I'll give it up when I feel like giving it up.
Following the law on how a president uses his authority is not rhetorical nonsense.

Do you want a president to just whitewash with the stroke of a pen opposing principles because they agree with what you want?

 
Old 03-01-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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Following the law on how a president uses his authority is not rhetorical nonsense.

Do you want a president to just whitewash with the stroke of a pen opposing principles because they agree with what you want?
I think his tactic is to keep asking the question until he gets the answer he wants.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Old Hippie Heaven
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It seems that every Presidential election, Republican candidates want Evangelicals to vote for them. Most of them make a big deal about being a Christian. I understand that politicians want as many people as possible to vote for them so they say what an audience wants to hear.
What do the Evangelicals expect to get by voting for a particular candidate - or is believing in Jesus Christ good enough?
Would electing a Jewish (2016), Muslim, Buddhist, atheist, or even a Mormon (2012) President be the ruination of this country? If so, how?
When a Catholic was elected in 1960, the country didn't fall apart. Why would it fall apart now?
It wouldn't fall apart just because of the religion a president practices. Unless said president tried to use the power of the government to force all of us to practice his/her religion.

We elect a president, not a church leader. The biggest difference we should see is who the president invites to the Prayer Breakfast.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Jesus did not promote Marxism. If Jesus promoted the world’s form of socialism, He would have made this clear in His teachings. The word “gospel” is referenced 100 times in the Bible. Not once did Christ ever mention a “social” gospel. Nor did He support enacting “social justice” or “income equality” or the wholesale “redistribution of wealth.” As you well know, socialism doesn't work.
You'd better read Acts about the early church:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

there was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)

Perhaps Karl Marx got his famous line: "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need," by reading the NT.

You can find the beginnings of that NT report in the OT:

This is what the Lord has commanded: Gather of it, every man of you, as much as he can eat; you shall take an omer apiece, according to the number of persons who each of you has in his tent. And the people of Israel did so; they gathered some more, some less. But when they measured it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; each gathered according to what he could eat
(Ex. 16:16-18)

Far more to support communism than capitalism, biblically speaking. It's the difference between Sanders and Trump--one talks about leveling the highways while the other is busy telling people to hit the highway--headed south.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 04:00 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Some of you may find this interesting.

Canada's Prime Minister for 10 years until this year was Stephen Harper, a Conservative Christian. His opponents ran scare campaigns claiming that if elected he would enact legislation against abortion, repeal same sex marriage and would bring a return to capital punishment.

He said he would not.

And he didn't. Although for much of the 10 years he had a majority government and could very well have introduced such legislation.

But although a God-fearing Christian who opposed abortion and gay marriage and in favour of capital punishment, he was an intelligent, educated man who realized that his personal opinion was in the minority and the people didn't want to revisit these questions.

Thankfully, his integrity was the equal of his intelligence and he stuck by his word.

I don't sense that intelligence or integrity in any of the Republican candidates.

And to be fair, I find Hillary repellent.

I'm really glad I was born this side of the 49th.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 04:21 PM
Status: "Build the damn wall!" (set 8 days ago)
 
Location: The Haunted Mansion
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Originally Posted by Wardendresden View Post
You'd better read Acts about the early church:

All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(Acts 2:44-45)

there was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). He sold a field that belonged to him, then brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
(Acts 4:34-37)

Perhaps Karl Marx got his famous line: "From each according to his ability; to each according to his need," by reading the NT.

You can find the beginnings of that NT report in the OT:

This is what the Lord has commanded: Gather of it, every man of you, as much as he can eat; you shall take an omer apiece, according to the number of persons who each of you has in his tent. And the people of Israel did so; they gathered some more, some less. But when they measured it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; each gathered according to what he could eat
(Ex. 16:16-18)

Far more to support communism than capitalism, biblically speaking. It's the difference between Sanders and Trump--one talks about leveling the highways while the other is busy telling people to hit the highway--headed south.
I read the Acts passages this morning.

1) There is no command in scripture for a socialist state.

2) Those early Christians shared with others by their own accord. We do that now by pooling our resources in the local church, in order to help others, as needed.

3) Socialism, as a form of government, doesn't work. It takes away incentive to produce.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 04:25 PM
 
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Some of you may find this interesting.

Canada's Prime Minister for 10 years until this year was Stephen Harper, a Conservative Christian. His opponents ran scare campaigns claiming that if elected he would enact legislation against abortion, repeal same sex marriage and would bring a return to capital punishment.

He said he would not.

And he didn't. Although for much of the 10 years he had a majority government and could very well have introduced such legislation.

But although a God-fearing Christian who opposed abortion and gay marriage and in favour of capital punishment, he was an intelligent, educated man who realized that his personal opinion was in the minority and the people didn't want to revisit these questions.

Thankfully, his integrity was the equal of his intelligence and he stuck by his word.

I don't sense that intelligence or integrity in any of the Republican candidates.

And to be fair, I find Hillary repellent.

I'm really glad I was born this side of the 49th.

Yes for the issues on same sex marriage and abortion.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 04:39 PM
Status: "More than chromosomes." (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Are there any Republicans willing to do these things?
No. Which is why I won't be voting for any of them.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Some of you may find this interesting.

Canada's Prime Minister for 10 years until this year was Stephen Harper, a Conservative Christian. His opponents ran scare campaigns claiming that if elected he would enact legislation against abortion, repeal same sex marriage and would bring a return to capital punishment.

He said he would not.

And he didn't. Although for much of the 10 years he had a majority government and could very well have introduced such legislation.

But although a God-fearing Christian who opposed abortion and gay marriage and in favour of capital punishment, he was an intelligent, educated man who realized that his personal opinion was in the minority and the people didn't want to revisit these questions.

Thankfully, his integrity was the equal of his intelligence and he stuck by his word.

I don't sense that intelligence or integrity in any of the Republican candidates.

And to be fair, I find Hillary repellent.

I'm really glad I was born this side of the 49th.
That is basically my point. If the people want it, vote in your Congressmen and do it the legal way. Sounds like a good guy.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 05:54 PM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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Yes, it is. From the way you libs talk, conservatives never do anything to help others, which of course is not true.
How are they like the widow and her mite?
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