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Old 03-01-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jimmiej View Post
I read the Acts passages this morning.

1) There is no command in scripture for a socialist state.

2) Those early Christians shared with others by their own accord. We do that now by pooling our resources in the local church, in order to help others, as needed.

3) Socialism, as a form of government, doesn't work. It takes away incentive to produce.
But Jesus speaks AGAINST WEALTH more than any other topic?


Jesus talked about money more than He did Heaven and Hell combined.
Jesus talked about money more than anything else except the Kingdom of God.
11 of 39 parables talk about money.
1 of every 7 verses in the Gospel of Luke talk about money.

The Word Money is actually used in connection with Jesus (whether He uses the word or it is used in connection with Him) approx 25 times throughout the 4 Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Jesus also speaks of treasure and wealth a handful of time in those books.

But there is one things that is central to His teaching on the subject.

Many contemporary preachers and teachers of the Bible will tell us that Jesus spoke more about money than anything else and this is how they justify wealth and prosperity doctrines.

But the plain and simple truth of the matter is that while Jesus often spoke about wealth, He never spoke about it in the sense that it was something good to become involved with.

A closer look at Christ will reveal that His teaching on the matter of wealth is the polar opposite of todays prosperity teachers.

Jesus always said things like: "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal"
and "You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Jesus teaches that we should ignore the way that the world saves and invests, and that we should not be preoccupied with money or wealth.

Jesus teaches that our dependance should be on the LORD and His provision for us.

Jesus spoke about money for sure, but not that it was important to have much of, instead that it was something to give away to those that are in need.

 
Old 03-01-2016, 06:02 PM
 
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But Jesus speaks AGAINST WEALTH more than any other topic?
You are allowed to research things before you make these statements.... This is not correct.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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That is basically my point. If the people want it, vote in your Congressmen and do it the legal way. Sounds like a good guy.
Just curious.....Would you call him a "good guy" if the word "atheist" was substituted for "God fearing Christian"? Same man. Same convictions. Same actions.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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Some of you may find this interesting.

Canada's Prime Minister for 10 years until this year was Stephen Harper, a Conservative Christian. His opponents ran scare campaigns claiming that if elected he would enact legislation against abortion, repeal same sex marriage and would bring a return to capital punishment.

He said he would not.

And he didn't. Although for much of the 10 years he had a majority government and could very well have introduced such legislation.

But although a God-fearing Christian who opposed abortion and gay marriage and in favour of capital punishment, he was an intelligent, educated man who realized that his personal opinion was in the minority and the people didn't want to revisit these questions.

Thankfully, his integrity was the equal of his intelligence and he stuck by his word.

I don't sense that intelligence or integrity in any of the Republican candidates.

And to be fair, I find Hillary repellent.

I'm really glad I was born this side of the 49th.
yup,

at this point what they believe is meaningless. The repub/demie god wall has to come down. the transition period will be ... awkward. Kinda like the moment of birth.

lets remember that the demiez sat with al sharpton, he is a pig, so these people shouldn't be tossing in all Christians in a pot because then we can start tossing other people in pots. Of course when we label these "kettles" some interesting things will crop up.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28 View Post
But Jesus speaks AGAINST WEALTH more than any other topic?


Jesus talked about money more than He did Heaven and Hell combined.
Jesus talked about money more than anything else except the Kingdom of God.
11 of 39 parables talk about money.
1 of every 7 verses in the Gospel of Luke talk about money.

The Word Money is actually used in connection with Jesus (whether He uses the word or it is used in connection with Him) approx 25 times throughout the 4 Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Jesus also speaks of treasure and wealth a handful of time in those books.

But there is one things that is central to His teaching on the subject.

Many contemporary preachers and teachers of the Bible will tell us that Jesus spoke more about money than anything else and this is how they justify wealth and prosperity doctrines.

But the plain and simple truth of the matter is that while Jesus often spoke about wealth, He never spoke about it in the sense that it was something good to become involved with.

A closer look at Christ will reveal that His teaching on the matter of wealth is the polar opposite of todays prosperity teachers.

Jesus always said things like: "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal"
and "You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Jesus teaches that we should ignore the way that the world saves and invests, and that we should not be preoccupied with money or wealth.

Jesus teaches that our dependance should be on the LORD and His provision for us.

Jesus spoke about money for sure, but not that it was important to have much of, instead that it was something to give away to those that are in need.
OK, but socialism doesn't work. By your own admission, giving should come from the heart. Jesus did not condemn people because they were rich, but because they were greedy. I will also remind you that Abraham was a rich man AND a friend of God.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I read the Acts passages this morning.

1) There is no command in scripture for a socialist state.

2) Those early Christians shared with others by their own accord. We do that now by pooling our resources in the local church, in order to help others, as needed.

3) Socialism, as a form of government, doesn't work. It takes away incentive to produce.
1. There is no command against it--and examples where it was tried. Capitalism not so.

2. So the early Christians were wrong? They were not led of God? I do believe there were a couple of Christians "struck dead" by Peter (probably using a club) and Peter gave God the credit. If you are going to kill someone for not joining in completely. So I suspect that is the reason conservative Christians are terrified of socialism--at least the Christian variety--as it appears half-hearted socialists were not desired.

3. Socialism is apparently working quite well in a number of countries. Take a look at the "happiest" nations in the world. From what I recall they are Denmark and Sweden---two very strong socialist governments. There politics also aren't bombarded with so-called Christians' attempts at imposing their beliefs into law in an attempt to practice "godly" bigotry.

You need to study socialism from some standpoint other than that of Fox News.

Just looked it up. Forbes Magazine, hardly a bastion of "liberalism," picks Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, and the Netherlands---all socialist nations--as the happiest. Praise God, those early Christians must have been closer than you think. But AMERICAN Christians know the power of selfishness (capitalism) and are fully vested in it in the name of Jesus.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 07:38 PM
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1. There is no command against it--and examples where it was tried. Capitalism not so.

2. So the early Christians were wrong? They were not led of God? I do believe there were a couple of Christians "struck dead" by Peter (probably using a club) and Peter gave God the credit. If you are going to kill someone for not joining in completely. So I suspect that is the reason conservative Christians are terrified of socialism--at least the Christian variety--as it appears half-hearted socialists were not desired.

3. Socialism is apparently working quite well in a number of countries. Take a look at the "happiest" nations in the world. From what I recall they are Denmark and Sweden---two very strong socialist governments. There politics also aren't bombarded with so-called Christians' attempts at imposing their beliefs into law in an attempt to practice "godly" bigotry.

You need to study socialism from some standpoint other than that of Fox News.

Just looked it up. Forbes Magazine, hardly a bastion of "liberalism," picks Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, and the Netherlands---all socialist nations--as the happiest. Praise God, those early Christians must have been closer than you think. But AMERICAN Christians know the power of selfishness (capitalism) and are fully vested in it in the name of Jesus.
1. You shouldn't base your theolgy on a negative.

2. A&S were struck dead because they LIED.

3. People around the world continue to flock to the US, the land of opportunity. We have done more in ~240 years than most countries in 240 centuries. You need to get your news from somewhere other than MSNBC.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 07:47 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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That is basically my point. If the people want it, vote in your Congressmen and do it the legal way. Sounds like a good guy.
I believe so. I voted for him three times.
 
Old 03-01-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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1. You shouldn't base your theolgy on a negative.

2. A&S were struck dead because they LIED.

3. People around the world continue to flock to the US, the land of opportunity. We have done more in ~240 years than most countries in 240 centuries. You need to get your news from somewhere other than MSNBC.
Yes they are flocking here: from the Middle East, from Asia, but not from those socialist countries.

Glad you could find an excuse for Peter killing "A&S." It doesn't change the fact that the early Christians attempted to put the Exodus verses to work in their own lives. Nor did God strike them all dead for practicing socialism--a system that sees the value in ALL lives rather than like Southern Baptists who see value in lives like theirs. As someone told me years ago when I attended a small Southern Baptist College (now university) "the only brother a Southern Baptist recognizes is a twin brother."

P.S. After Mexico, the next largest number of immigrants is from India.

As Ramachandra Gutu (Indian historian) stated so eloquently--
"In India, every political party in power is reformist (read capitalist for the hefty kickbacks involved) and every party sitting out on the benches in the opposition is automatically socialist."

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Old 03-02-2016, 03:10 AM
 
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OK, but socialism doesn't work. By your own admission, giving should come from the heart. Jesus did not condemn people because they were rich, but because they were greedy. I will also remind you that Abraham was a rich man AND a friend of God.
still confusing socialism with charity? Kind of like confusing capitalism with free enterprise?

Socialism is not CHARITY, nor is it giving from the heart. The collection of TAXES from individuals to be used for the good of the PUBLIC is socialism..this is what Jesus taught--that the individual must support the common good.

Allowing certain entities to have more influence than others is a sure fire recipe for disaster. Which tends to be the conservatives (religious and political) approach.
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