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Old 08-17-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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This is the exact same extreme and unreasonable dichotomy that the ET believers use: If you don't believe God is going to torture people forever, it means that you think God winks at sin. Say what?

Me not hitting my children, or anyone else's, is not the equivalent of "turning a blind eye or defending their behavior". Please educate yourself about children and stop resorting to violence to control them. It takes a lot more time and effort and energy to connect with, teach and encourage than it does to whack and control a child by force or intimidation, for sure. Don't be lazy.


http://www.nonviolentcommunication.c...tion_mrose.pdf

Spanking doesn't hurt anything but their pride for a moment..... Children want boundaries set for them, and when there are none, they feel unloved and rightly so. A lot of them act up, just to GET boundaries from parents that are more interested in some imaginary status quo of keeping them equals. They're not equals, they weren't meant to be equals, there is a head and a body, and the head carries the authority. Simple principles, but so difficult for carnal men to comprehend. Then of course, He said to spare the rod is to spoil the child, not meaning to beat them, but to train up a child in the way in which they should go as a shepherd who uses his rod of authority to direct their paths. Peace

PS. I got as far as the giraffe model and had to laugh and stop reading, appropriate as it is. Spiritually speaking, the nature of animals was giving by Adam, the carnally minded man. A giraffe lines up with the scriptures of: every high thing that exalts itself of the knowledge of G-d, and hating the garment spotted by the flesh. Even in their pseudo wisdom, G-d has no problem unmasking the true nature, if you value HIS wisdom, above all others.

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Old 08-17-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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This is the exact same extreme and unreasonable dichotomy that the ET believers use: If you don't believe God is going to torture people forever, it means that you think God winks at sin. Say what?
Me not hitting my children, or anyone else's, is not the equivalent of "turning a blind eye or defending their behavior". Please educate yourself about children and stop resorting to violence to control them. It takes a lot more time and effort and energy to connect with, teach and encourage than it does to whack and control a child by force or intimidation, for sure. Don't be lazy.
http://www.nonviolentcommunication.c...tion_mrose.pdf
Amen, Pleroo. It is difficult to discourage and prevent violent physical behavior if you use it on your own children.
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Old 08-17-2016, 04:08 PM
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Amen, Pleroo. It is difficult to discourage and prevent violent physical behavior if you use it on your own children.
It's what their god does. They learned from its example.

Smite makes right.
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Old 08-17-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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This went from spanking to your usual over the top exaggeration of the poster's comments, to violence and physical abuse, which is NOT what was being discussed. Nice try. Peace
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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Then of course, He said to spare the rod is to spoil the child, not meaning to beat them, but to train up a child in the way in which they should go as a shepherd who uses his rod of authority to direct their paths. Peace
In real life a shepherd uses the staff/rod to rescue sheep. And, when necessary, to keep them from being attacked. He does not use it to train them. He does not use it to direct them*. Nor does he use it to spank, paddle or discipline the sheep.

The entire "train up a child" system of child-rearing is proof that the users know diddly squat about sheep and shepherds. It is also proof they are anxious to have a self-given, "Biblical" reason to spank small, defenseless children.



*That is done by sheep dogs. The average sheep dog being light years ahead of child-spanking religious extremists on the intelligence scale.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:19 PM
 
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In real life a shepherd uses the staff/rod to rescue sheep. And, when necessary, to keep them from being attacked. He does not use it to train them. He does not use it to direct them*. Nor does he use it to spank, paddle or discipline the sheep.

The entire "train up a child" system of child-rearing is proof that the users know diddly squat about sheep and shepherds. It is also proof they are anxious to have a self-given, "Biblical" reason to spank small, defenseless children.



*That is done by sheep dogs. The average sheep dog being light years ahead of child-spanking religious extremists on the intelligence scale.

You simply look for any excuse to argue and try to demean the intelligence of the poster you disagree with when your argument is weak, a typical tactic. That's all, just argue with a hated "fundy", for no other reason than to argue. It's really sad that you're so damaged by whatever and whoever you put your trust in previously, that now like an abused animal you snap at anything that moves.

And yes, they do use their rods for herding the sheep. A rod, being a symbol of not just authority, and an upright member used of G-d (think Moses and Christ) was also inscribed with the lineage of the person who owned it, literally going all the way back to Adam and subsequently to G-d Himself. So when Moses raised his rod, He was literally claiming and displaying his birthright as a descendant of the first son of G-d for all to see, and claiming and using the authority G-d had given him which he displayed without apology to the flesh as He was directed of G-d.

And so to train up a child in the way they should go, speaks of disciplining the child when needed, and if they require a "rear guard move" with the "rod" to ensure they go the right direction, He is not only not opposed to that, but requires it as the responsibility of the one to whom covering of that child was given through birth, or other means. Man cannot out reason G-d, out think G-d, or out do G-d's wisdom in any way. He has principles He established and it is up to those that would be priests to study out those principles and precepts and apply them. Any less than that, is simply part of the chaos. Peace
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:47 PM
 
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Was this a circumcision thread?

I don't know why circumcision is even a thing these days. My son is not. I am not in the position to change his private parts without his permission... a baby can't give permission obviously...

So what exactly was this derailed thread about anyway? (and I read all the posts yet still can't understand the conversation!)
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Old 08-17-2016, 11:03 PM
 
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In real life a shepherd uses the staff/rod to rescue sheep. And, when necessary, to keep them from being attacked. He does not use it to train them. He does not use it to direct them*. Nor does he use it to spank, paddle or discipline the sheep.
The entire "train up a child" system of child-rearing is proof that the users know diddly squat about sheep and shepherds. It is also proof they are anxious to have a self-given, "Biblical" reason to spank small, defenseless children.
*That is done by sheep dogs. The average sheep dog being light years ahead of child-spanking religious extremists on the intelligence scale.
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It's really sad that you're so damaged by whatever and whoever you put your trust in previously, that now like an abused animal you snap at anything that moves.
Dew has displayed no such abuse damage or need to snap at anything. But if we are psychoanalyzing people, Rbbi, begin with your rabid adoption of authoritarianism and a powerful God to OBEY. That indicates extreme insecurity and ego-defensiveness relying on a Supreme Master for all the answers in life.
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And yes, they do use their rods for herding the sheep. A rod, being a symbol of not just authority, and an upright member used of G-d (think Moses and Christ) was also inscribed with the lineage of the person who owned it, literally going all the way back to Adam and subsequently to G-d Himself. So when Moses raised his rod, He was literally claiming and displaying his birthright as a descendant of the first son of G-d for all to see, and claiming and using the authority G-d had given him which he displayed without apology to the flesh as He was directed of G-d.
The symbolism in this is too easy, I won't touch the upright member imagery and its import to a properly obedient and cowed female.
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And so to train up a child in the way they should go, speaks of disciplining the child when needed, and if they require a "rear guard move" with the "rod" to ensure they go the right direction, He is not only not opposed to that, but requires it as the responsibility of the one to whom covering of that child was given through birth, or other means. Man cannot out reason G-d, out think G-d, or out do G-d's wisdom in any way. He has principles He established and it is up to those that would be priests to study out those principles and precepts and apply them. Any less than that, is simply part of the chaos. Peace
An essential requirement of your reliance is to ascertain that what you are relying on IS from God and NOT men. You have failed to do that, IMO.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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Dew has displayed no such abuse damage or need to snap at anything.


I take unsolicited psychoanalysis and advice from people I do not know and will never meet for what it's worth: nothing. The finger-shakers sure do love to give it though. Disagree with one of them and Boom! They can't wait to tell you to shut the heck up because you're bitter....Or a sinner...Or a bed-wetter!!

Oh, well. Explaining sheep herding (I happen to come from hearty sheep-herder stock) upsets the Bible-wielding spankers every.single.time.

Goodness knows what they'll tell me if I explain how sheep are neutered.
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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So what exactly was this derailed thread about anyway? (and I read all the posts yet still can't understand the conversation!)
We were informed, by Rbbi1, that she spanks children. She did not share whether or not she also circumcises them.
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