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Old 03-03-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: GOVERNMENT of TRAITORS & NAZIS
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Before I go any further with the numbered issues above, you say the Bible is worthless. You say you can't live by the teachings of Jesus and the Bible at the same time.

Haven't you quoted the Bible in your posts in the past? Or am I mistaken?

How did you come to know about Jesus apart from the Bible?
The bible is just another word for idol. It falls solidly into the GRAVEN IMAGE category. Yeah, it has some fun-facts and may be historical to a point. But given that it was "written" to / about Israel, just how relevant is it to us today?
Many have twisted and pulled the verses to fit our present day, but the reality is it cannot be definitively applied to anything beyond the 2nd century. Any more than one can say the same for BoB (Book of Mormon), NWT, the Qua-ran, and all the other books us mortals want to hold up as godly inspiration.

Yes, I have and I do quote the bible verses, and for those who are followers, it is obvious that the verses I quote tend to be in stark contradiction to the fundie quotes. Which does seem to register with many since the typical mind set of fundism is to dismiss out right all that challenges their instilled belief.

As for coming to know Jesus, there are many writings and stories about the guy..just as there are many stories about creation, the flood, the resurrection, the Job, the prodigal son / daughter..christianity does NOT own the rights to any Deity, be it real or imagined. Just as christianity has no authority to reject ANY other beliefs.

Christianity has built itself into this unstoppable entity that has no boundaries, nor does it seem to have any respect for others. It is an exclusive club where all the members act like the BORG and everyone runs around like a headless chicken yelling RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

Christianity rejects common sense, refuses logic and even challenges the very foundation on which Jesus based his ministry--LOVE.

Christianity has become an all encompassing BULLY that demands absolute compliance to mindless expectations and accepts the destructive mind set that MIGHT IS RIGHT--as if that god-kept-in-da-tiny-box-of impotence is unable to speak for itself?

The actual God has NO NEED for mortals to speak for Him, no need for mortals to FIGHT for her..hell we have even given a non-physical entity GENDER..then used this image to OPPRESS women unto the point we no longer recognize VIOLENCE as destructive and rationalize it by telling ourselves GOD WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED IT IF IT WAS WRONG--then the church uses the same convoluted rationale to say GOD WILL NOT INTERVENE IN FREEWILL... what is up with that? God will stop me if I am wrong--But God will not stop a MURDER because there is free will?????

The church has taught us that whatever makes us feel contrite and repentant towards God is good and whatever makes us giggly and joyful towards God is BAD..

The church want us to wander the days here on earth in perpetual sorrow, accepting the status quo of the few who lord it over us all in hopes of some grand heavenly rewards?? SERIOUSLY?


The church will quickly mount up an attack against the homeless, the hungry and the poor by supporting the wealthy's contention they are LAZY, because ANYONE can be successful if they trust in God and it is that LACK of TRUST, FAITH and LOVE that cause the poor to be poor.

Eventually the poor accept this trash talk, the wealthy reinforce this trash talk and those in the middle--wanting to be like the wealthy--blame the poor for taking their birthright to prosperity.

Then the church sends missionaries to Timbuktu, decimates ancient civilizations in the name of the gospel all the while pointing at a local soup kitchen they run and serve SLOP out of to show just how they care for the least of us..But they would NEVER allow any of these marginalized folks into their church, they would never allow them to stand up and speak or teach a sunday school without having them pass some god-forsaken litmus test to prove their salvation--when all along the family values people are having homosexual relations, abusing children and involve in human trafficking...


So in essence it is highly unlikely ANYONE can learn any thing of value from a book written nearly 200 years after the fact--like I could write an autobiography about Abraham Lincoln and it would be reliable(?) and a book that MORTALS have hemmed and hawed over--and ultimately was assembled and translated by the RCC who 90% of evangelical fundies despise and refuse to acknowledge as being christian any more then they are. But they will wave the KJV like it was god himself hanging on that cross yet today when KJ was nothing but a tyrant who wanted a book that would support him as the head of the church--thereby displacing the Pope and attempting to strip him of power..


Just the kind of organization we all need to be affiliated with, right?
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Old 03-03-2016, 12:18 PM
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As for coming to know Jesus, there are many writings and stories about the guy..just as there are many stories about creation, the flood, the resurrection, the Job, the prodigal son / daughter..christianity does NOT own the rights to any Deity, be it real or imagined. Just as christianity has no authority to reject ANY other beliefs.
What are these other writings and stories about Jesus?
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Old 03-03-2016, 02:06 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Samaritan's Purse has made him a very rich man. And I especially love their "Children's Evangelism" movement. Because they realize that the best "investment" is children, and it is best to get at them while they are still young and impressionable.
According to Charity Navigator, he was paid $443,192 in 2014. (That's just from Samaritan's Purse, and doesn't include his income from the Billy Graham Crusades or any other sources.)

Charity Navigator - Rating for Samaritan's Purse

So much for a vow of poverty, huh?
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Old 03-03-2016, 02:28 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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According to Charity Navigator, he was paid $443,192 in 2014. (That's just from Samaritan's Purse, and doesn't include his income from the Billy Graham Crusades or any other sources.)

Charity Navigator - Rating for Samaritan's Purse

So much for a vow of poverty, huh?
Salesmen for the bible god do all right for themselves. Lots of money in fleecing sheep.
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Old 03-03-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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What are these other writings and stories about Jesus?
The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors: Christianity Before Christ


The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold


Jesus: Just One More Dying and Rising Savior


He Walked the Americas – Evidence of Jesus by Native Americans



As both Christian and Native American do you worship the Creator or the created?


Our religion seems foolish to you, but so does yours to me.” – Sitting Bull, 1889

Jesus and the Coyote: Similarities between Biblical Literature and Native American Mythology
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Old 03-03-2016, 04:04 PM
Status: "Build the damn wall!" (set 7 days ago)
 
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What are these other writings and stories about Jesus?
Do any of these books have additional info about Jesus, that cannot be found in scripture, and if so, where did that info come from?
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Old 03-03-2016, 04:17 PM
 
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Do any of these books have additional info about Jesus, that cannot be found in scripture, and if so, where did that info come from?
You should take a look at the links. Hint: some aren't books.

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Old 03-03-2016, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Do any of these books have additional info about Jesus, that cannot be found in scripture, and if so, where did that info come from?
I have a book you should read that might help you understand the Jesus of the 1st century rather than the Jesus that has evolved in the SBC.

Garry Willis, Professor Emeritus of History at Northwestern University, expert in the Greek language, wrote a book about the life of Jesus almost ten years ago.

Amazon sums up his book, What Jesus Meant, this way:

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In what are billed “culture wars,” people on the political right and the political left cite Jesus as endorsing their views. But in this New York Times-bestselling masterpiece, Garry Wills argues that Jesus subscribed to no political program. He was far more radical than that. In a fresh reading of the gospels, Wills explores the meaning of the “reign of heaven” Jesus not only promised for the future but brought with him into this life. It is only by dodges and evasions that people misrepresent what Jesus plainly had to say against power, the wealthy, and religion itself. But Wills is just as critical of those who would make Jesus a mere ethical teacher, ignoring or playing down his divinity.
What Jesus Meant by Garry Wills

Lest you be too quick to turn away from this 176 page book, besides his bona fides as a professor of history, Willis is the author of 40 books, and began his career as an early protégé of William F. Buckley, Jr. and was associated with conservatism. When he first became involved with National Review he did not know if he was a conservative, calling himself a "distributionist."

Now we'll find out if you are one willing to learn for yourself, or simply satisfied with being indoctrinated.
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Old 03-03-2016, 05:59 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I have a book you should read that might help you understand the Jesus of the 1st century rather than the Jesus that has evolved in the SBC.

Garry Willis, Professor Emeritus of History at Northwestern University, expert in the Greek language, wrote a book about the life of Jesus almost ten years ago.

Amazon sums up his book, What Jesus Meant, this way:

What Jesus Meant by Garry Wills

Lest you be too quick to turn away from this 176 page book, besides his bona fides as a professor of history, Willis is the author of 40 books, and began his career as an early protégé of William F. Buckley, Jr. and was associated with conservatism. When he first became involved with National Review he did not know if he was a conservative, calling himself a "distributionist."

Now we'll find out if you are one willing to learn for yourself, or simply satisfied with being indoctrinated.
I admire the attempt and truly hope you succeed in getting him to read the book.

We know from the histories of posters like NoCapo, mordant, thrill, pcamps, yourself and others, that recovery from fundamentalist non-think is possible. And I have jimmie among my Top 2 CD candidates for developing enough of a crack in their Fundashields to allow a sliver of light to penetrate - ultimately leading to an opening of the mind, heart and spirit.

Time will tell.
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Old 03-03-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Stand by. You could probably be very helpful thinking up reasons why fundamentalist, small-church pastors should spend time chatting with the neighbors instead of starting a program to help the needy.

I'll bet you could do it for Franklin Graham too! Let's see.....Reasons why Franklin Graham, who makes $622K a year running his charity, deserves every penny. Or...Reasons why Franklin Graham's anti-gay bigotry is OK with Jesus.
"Whatever the Father does, the Son also does." - Jesus
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