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Old 03-03-2016, 07:33 PM
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You should take a look at the links. Hint: some aren't books.
The 2 or 3 I looked at were books and then I ran out of time.
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Old 03-03-2016, 08:21 PM
 
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The 2 or 3 I looked at were books and then I ran out of time.
Well then. You can, at your leisure, read the links that weren't books and learn something new.
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Old 03-04-2016, 01:18 AM
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Nothing non-Biblical in the links provided. No new information about Jesus.

*He was a white man with a beard
*He said He came from across the sea
*He would choose twelve “disciples”
*He spoke of His Father’s Kingdom
*He wore a bright white garment with golden sandals
*He made references to the future
*He had control over the wind and all elements
*He had the ability to heal wounds
*His sign was the cross
*He taught love and peace
*He taught that good deeds were important
*He referred them to the Dawn Star

I've read before about Jesus' resurrection being a copycat myth. Again, nothing new there. Virtually everything we know about Christ came from Holy Scriptures or matches it.



What would we know about Jesus without the Scriptures? Almost nothing. No?
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Old 03-04-2016, 02:41 AM
 
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Nothing non-Biblical in the links provided. No new information about Jesus.

*He was a white man with a beard
*He said He came from across the sea
*He would choose twelve “disciples”
*He spoke of His Father’s Kingdom
*He wore a bright white garment with golden sandals
*He made references to the future
*He had control over the wind and all elements
*He had the ability to heal wounds
*His sign was the cross
*He taught love and peace
*He taught that good deeds were important
*He referred them to the Dawn Star

I've read before about Jesus' resurrection being a copycat myth. Again, nothing new there. Virtually everything we know about Christ came from Holy Scriptures or matches it.



What would we know about Jesus without the Scriptures? Almost nothing. No?
Then you are only reading the material for WORDS and not reading for meaning. Seems to be a smptom of fundieism.
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Old 03-04-2016, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I have a book you should read that might help you understand the Jesus of the 1st century rather than the Jesus that has evolved in the SBC.

Garry Willis, Professor Emeritus of History at Northwestern University, expert in the Greek language, wrote a book about the life of Jesus almost ten years ago.

Amazon sums up his book, What Jesus Meant, this way:

What Jesus Meant by Garry Wills

Lest you be too quick to turn away from this 176 page book, besides his bona fides as a professor of history, Willis is the author of 40 books, and began his career as an early protégé of William F. Buckley, Jr. and was associated with conservatism. When he first became involved with National Review he did not know if he was a conservative, calling himself a "distributionist."

Now we'll find out if you are one willing to learn for yourself, or simply satisfied with being indoctrinated.

You updated this post... at least I think it was this one... and it stated that you were trying to convert a couple of people. Could you explain that?
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Old 03-04-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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The bible is just another word for idol. It falls solidly into the GRAVEN IMAGE category. Yeah, it has some fun-facts and may be historical to a point. But given that it was "written" to / about Israel, just how relevant is it to us today?
Many have twisted and pulled the verses to fit our present day, but the reality is it cannot be definitively applied to anything beyond the 2nd century. Any more than one can say the same for BoB (Book of Mormon), NWT, the Qua-ran, and all the other books us mortals want to hold up as godly inspiration.

Yes, I have and I do quote the bible verses, and for those who are followers, it is obvious that the verses I quote tend to be in stark contradiction to the fundie quotes. Which does seem to register with many since the typical mind set of fundism is to dismiss out right all that challenges their instilled belief.

As for coming to know Jesus, there are many writings and stories about the guy..just as there are many stories about creation, the flood, the resurrection, the Job, the prodigal son / daughter..christianity does NOT own the rights to any Deity, be it real or imagined. Just as christianity has no authority to reject ANY other beliefs.

Christianity has built itself into this unstoppable entity that has no boundaries, nor does it seem to have any respect for others. It is an exclusive club where all the members act like the BORG and everyone runs around like a headless chicken yelling RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

Christianity rejects common sense, refuses logic and even challenges the very foundation on which Jesus based his ministry--LOVE.

Christianity has become an all encompassing BULLY that demands absolute compliance to mindless expectations and accepts the destructive mind set that MIGHT IS RIGHT--as if that god-kept-in-da-tiny-box-of impotence is unable to speak for itself?

The actual God has NO NEED for mortals to speak for Him, no need for mortals to FIGHT for her..hell we have even given a non-physical entity GENDER..then used this image to OPPRESS women unto the point we no longer recognize VIOLENCE as destructive and rationalize it by telling ourselves GOD WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED IT IF IT WAS WRONG--then the church uses the same convoluted rationale to say GOD WILL NOT INTERVENE IN FREEWILL... what is up with that? God will stop me if I am wrong--But God will not stop a MURDER because there is free will?????

The church has taught us that whatever makes us feel contrite and repentant towards God is good and whatever makes us giggly and joyful towards God is BAD..

The church want us to wander the days here on earth in perpetual sorrow, accepting the status quo of the few who lord it over us all in hopes of some grand heavenly rewards?? SERIOUSLY?


The church will quickly mount up an attack against the homeless, the hungry and the poor by supporting the wealthy's contention they are LAZY, because ANYONE can be successful if they trust in God and it is that LACK of TRUST, FAITH and LOVE that cause the poor to be poor.

Eventually the poor accept this trash talk, the wealthy reinforce this trash talk and those in the middle--wanting to be like the wealthy--blame the poor for taking their birthright to prosperity.

Then the church sends missionaries to Timbuktu, decimates ancient civilizations in the name of the gospel all the while pointing at a local soup kitchen they run and serve SLOP out of to show just how they care for the least of us..But they would NEVER allow any of these marginalized folks into their church, they would never allow them to stand up and speak or teach a sunday school without having them pass some god-forsaken litmus test to prove their salvation--when all along the family values people are having homosexual relations, abusing children and involve in human trafficking...


So in essence it is highly unlikely ANYONE can learn any thing of value from a book written nearly 200 years after the fact--like I could write an autobiography about Abraham Lincoln and it would be reliable(?) and a book that MORTALS have hemmed and hawed over--and ultimately was assembled and translated by the RCC who 90% of evangelical fundies despise and refuse to acknowledge as being christian any more then they are. But they will wave the KJV like it was god himself hanging on that cross yet today when KJ was nothing but a tyrant who wanted a book that would support him as the head of the church--thereby displacing the Pope and attempting to strip him of power..


Just the kind of organization we all need to be affiliated with, right?

Couldn't get to this yesterday... I am just going to hit on a few items. Your quotes in blue.


The bible is just another word for idol.
The fact that you call yourself a Christian and make this statement is the height of double-mindedness.

Many have twisted and pulled the verses to fit our present day, but the reality is it cannot be definitively applied to anything beyond the 2nd century.
Yet you continue to pull quotes from it when it serves your purpose. More double-mindedness...


the typical mind set of fundism is to dismiss out right all that challenges their instilled belief.
Actually we don't... but you do. I posted a good news thread on Muslims in Iran. Here's comes Warden being confrontational about churches in the south. Who said anything about churches in the south? Yet in himself - he had to create controversy out of nothing. The truth is that this is your mindset, and others like you who say you are Christians (not including the unbelievers in this).


As for coming to know Jesus, there are many writings and stories about the guy
the "guy"... I had to laugh at that one. Just a further indicator of how you regard Christ.


So in essence it is highly unlikely ANYONE can learn any thing of value from a book written nearly 200 years after the fact
Interesting... Love your neighbor as yourself. You quote that almost at rote level. I now know it means nothing to you.


The rest of your post is totally delusional. Really. You have made up these scenarios in your head and projected them onto others. Missionaries devastate Timbuktu and serve slop... the church attacks the homeless... This is laughable stuff, except you are serious with this.
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:32 AM
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Then you are only reading the material for WORDS and not reading for meaning. Seems to be a smptom of fundieism.
Yep.

Nuance escapes them.
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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Couldn't get to this yesterday... I am just going to hit on a few items. Your quotes in blue.


The bible is just another word for idol.
The fact that you call yourself a Christian and make this statement is the height of double-mindedness.

How can it not be an idol? organized religion places the bible ABOVE the word--In the beginning was the WORD (hmmm...even before it was WRITTEN, there was the WORD..

Many have twisted and pulled the verses to fit our present day, but the reality is it cannot be definitively applied to anything beyond the 2nd century.
Yet you continue to pull quotes from it when it serves your purpose. More double-mindedness...
I do not use ONE verse to mean MANY things. I have never said LOVE is NOT enough. Evangelicals will say Jesus is salvation, BUT ten list 10 things they claim must be done to attain that salvation.
They say that there is life in paradise, but that the thief on the cross DID NOT go directly to his reward that Jesus promised him on the cross.
They say the LAW is no longer enforced, yet they say some laws are---
Most importantly, evangelicals have elevated PAUL above Jesus himself...



the typical mind set of fundism is to dismiss out right all that challenges their instilled belief.
Actually we don't... but you do. I posted a good news thread on Muslims in Iran. Here's comes Warden being confrontational about churches in the south. Who said anything about churches in the south? Yet in himself - he had to create controversy out of nothing. The truth is that this is your mindset, and others like you who say you are Christians (not including the unbelievers in this).
SEE ABOVE


As for coming to know Jesus, there are many writings and stories about the guy
the "guy"... I had to laugh at that one. Just a further indicator of how you regard Christ.

Is Christ not our friend? Why would it offend you that someone refer to Him as that guy??


So in essence it is highly unlikely ANYONE can learn any thing of value from a book written nearly 200 years after the fact
Interesting... Love your neighbor as yourself. You quote that almost at rote level. I now know it means nothing to you.

EXACTLY. How do I know what Lincoln said in 1862? How do I know what really happened in 1942?


The rest of your post is totally delusional. Really. You have made up these scenarios in your head and projected them onto others. Missionaries devastate Timbuktu and serve slop... the church attacks the homeless... This is laughable stuff, except you are serious with this.

Only because it shakes your misconceptions of god-in-da-tiny-box and would cause you to re-evalute your alleged relationship with Jesus and humanity. The easiest way to deny is to AVOID.
First they LAUGH AT ME
Then They INSULT ME
Then THEY KILL ME....

Those who claim to KNOW Jesus are usually the least likely to understand the guy..



How can it not be an idol? organized religion places the bible ABOVE the word--In the beginning was the WORD (hmmm...even before it was WRITTEN, there was the WORD..

I do not use ONE verse to mean MANY things. I have never said LOVE is NOT enough. Evangelicals will say Jesus is salvation, BUT ten list 10 things they claim must be done to attain that salvation.
They say that there is life in paradise, but that the thief on the cross DID NOT go directly to his reward that Jesus promised him on the cross.
They say the LAW is no longer enforced, yet they say some laws are---
Most importantly, evangelicals have elevated PAUL above Jesus himself...



Is Christ not our friend? Why would it offend you that someone refer to Him as that guy??


EXACTLY. How do I know what Lincoln said in 1862? How do I know what really happened in 1942?




Only because it shakes your misconceptions of god-in-da-tiny-box and would cause you to re-evalute your alleged relationship with Jesus and humanity. The easiest way to deny is to AVOID.
First they LAUGH AT ME
Then They INSULT ME
Then THEY KILL ME....

Those who claim to KNOW Jesus are usually the least likely to understand the guy..
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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You updated this post... at least I think it was this one... and it stated that you were trying to convert a couple of people. Could you explain that?
I have a mission to convert people from the fundamentalism of Bibliolatry to being Christ followers. They can only do so by opening the eyes of their hearts to the theme of Jesus in Scripture. And that is only achieved through contextual biblical study which is the opposite of most Sunday School teaching.

Whereas fundamentalist seek to understand the Bible, Christ followers seek to understand themselves in the light of Jesus' teaching:

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You

To see You high and lifted up
Shinin' in the light of Your glory
Pour out Your power and love
As we sing holy, holy, holy

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You
(Michael Smith)
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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I have a mission to convert people from the fundamentalism of Bibliolatry to being Christ followers. They can only do so by opening the eyes of their hearts to the theme of Jesus in Scripture. And that is only achieved through contextual biblical study which is the opposite of most Sunday School teaching.

Whereas fundamentalist seek to understand the Bible, Christ followers seek to understand themselves in the light of Jesus' teaching:

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You

To see You high and lifted up
Shinin' in the light of Your glory
Pour out Your power and love
As we sing holy, holy, holy

Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You
(Michael Smith)


Living hungry on soup and dreams
Nothing left to lose
It seemed so simple then
When there wasn't a lot to choose

Every day was like a year
There was lots of time
To see things clear
But then the blessing brought me here

Still swinging in Solomon's shoes
Still swinging in Solomon's shoes

Things have changed a lot for me
I don't worry about my rent
I pay it on time, I pick and choose
How every dime gets spent

Guess there's nothing wrong with being blessed
It should be the same
Both more and less

I haven't found the balance yet

Still swinging in Solomon's shoes
Still swinging in Solomon's shoes

Solomon was the wisest man
But I guess not wise enough
He forgot the Blesser
When the blessing were too much

Now I know I swing with Solomon
Between the left and right
How I wish that I could find a place
Where I'd be satisfied
(Don't wanna deny You, don't wanna turn from You)


Still swinging in Solomon's shoes
Still swinging in Solomon's shoes


Read more at MARGARET BECKER - SOLOMON'S SHOES LYRICS
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