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Old 03-04-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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Wrong.

Matt. 4

17 Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Peter (who walked with Jesus) said:

Acts 3

19 Repent, so that your sins may be blotted out, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
Huh? Jesus taught in Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

Why do evangelicals feel the need to add MORE criteria than Jesus asked???
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:03 PM
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Huh? Jesus taught in Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Why do evangelicals feel the need to add MORE criteria than Jesus asked???
Actually, that passage is from Paul's letter to the Ephesians. Still valid, though.

To become a Christian, one must repent of their sin (missing the mark) and trust by faith in the redemptive work of Christ.
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Old 03-04-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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You are a trip... but no worries, I can fix that real quick.
Yes, another trait of fundamentalists is to cover their eyes, plug their ears, and sing la-la-la-la.

A trait of God is to be able to see Him at work in those who aren't as "holy" as you might wish them to be. Apparently that is not a bellwether in your life.

I was hoping I could expect more from you.
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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Amen, Warden. The condemnation and sin focus is consistent with our human nature, but NOT with the Gospel of Jesus. God is not counting our sins against us so we shouldn't either.
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Wrong.
Matt. 4
17 Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Peter (who walked with Jesus) said:
Acts 3
19 Repent, so that your sins may be blotted out, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
No jimmie, you are wrong. What you cite about repentance has nothing to do with our salvation. Jesus did that. It has to do with our sanctification and readiness to stand before God. We ALL will do so and our iniquities and errors (missing the mark) must be corrected before that. That is the role of repentance, preparing us for the presence of the Lord.
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Old 03-05-2016, 06:23 AM
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No jimmie, you are wrong. What you cite about repentance has nothing to do with our salvation. Jesus did that. It has to do with our sanctification and readiness to stand before God. We ALL will do so and our iniquities and errors (missing the mark) must be corrected before that. That is the role of repentance, preparing us for the presence of the Lord.
Actually, it's both. A person has to understand why they need a savior in the first place. We are born under the curse of sin. Jesus' redemptive work overcame that curse. Then comes the process of sanctification, as you said.

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Old 03-05-2016, 06:30 AM
 
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Actually, it's both. A person has to understand why they need a savior in the first place. We are born under the curse of sin. Jesus redemptive work overcame that curse. Then comes the process of sanctification, as you said.
Then why do we continue to "sin?"
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Old 03-05-2016, 06:47 AM
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Then why do we continue to "sin?"
Because we live in the flesh. The flesh is weak. See Romans 7.
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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Because we live in the flesh. The flesh is weak. See Romans 7.
But Jesus dies and our sin is suppose to be taken away? If we continue to "sin" do we not continue to CRUCIFY Jesus on a daily basis?

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Jesus redemptive work overcame that curse. Then comes the process of sanctification, as you said.

Is it obvious that the "curse" has not been removed if we still sin?
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:58 AM
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But Jesus dies and our sin is suppose to be taken away? If we continue to "sin" do we not continue to CRUCIFY Jesus on a daily basis?




Is it obvious that the "curse" has not been removed if we still sin?
The penalty has been taken away (spiritual death).

Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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The penalty has been taken away (spiritual death).

Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
so what then is the concern about sinning, if we no longer face the penalty of spiritual death?
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