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Old 03-05-2016, 02:27 PM
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so what then is the concern about sinning, if we no longer face the penalty of spiritual death?
When we belong to Christ, we want to please Him. We are a new ceation in Christ. Our desires are changed. If we sin, we should ask forgiveness and strive to do better, through the Spirit that indwells us. That's called sanctification. In Romans 6, Paul discusses this issue.
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Old 03-06-2016, 06:01 AM
 
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When we belong to Christ, we want to please Him. We are a new ceation in Christ. Our desires are changed. If we sin, we should ask forgiveness and strive to do better, through the Spirit that indwells us. That's called sanctification. In Romans 6, Paul discusses this issue.
But we were previously forgiven? How can we need continuous forgiveness ONCE we have been forgiven?

IS God saying you are forgiven and have salvation NOW, but if (when) you sin again you will need to be forgiven again or risk losing your "reward" in heaven?
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Old 03-06-2016, 07:24 AM
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But we were previously forgiven? How can we need continuous forgiveness ONCE we have been forgiven?

IS God saying you are forgiven and have salvation NOW, but if (when) you sin again you will need to be forgiven again or risk losing your "reward" in heaven?
It's like telling your spouse or a loved one you're sorry for a mistake. The love is still there, the relationship is still there. Your desire is to please, but you missed the mark.
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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In other words, Christianity gives us license to be horrible people. As long as we know that we are forgiven, there is nothing really so bad that we could ever do, since God will forgive it anyway. He will forgive everything as long as we believe.

So don't ever criticize Christians, because their daddy will get even.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:12 AM
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In other words, Christianity gives us license to be horrible people. As long as we know that we are forgiven, there is nothing really so bad that we could ever do, since God will forgive it anyway. He will forgive everything as long as we believe.

...snip... .
Yep. Some Christians believe you just need to say a few magic words and poof! - sins all gone!!

I understand why such simplistic beliefs appeal to a certain segment of society.
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:54 AM
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In other words, Christianity gives us license to be horrible people. As long as we know that we are forgiven, there is nothing really so bad that we could ever do, since God will forgive it anyway. He will forgive everything as long as we believe.

So don't ever criticize Christians, because their daddy will get even.
Well, let's see.

Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
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Old 03-06-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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No jimmie, you are wrong. What you cite about repentance has nothing to do with our salvation. Jesus did that. It has to do with our sanctification and readiness to stand before God. We ALL will do so and our iniquities and errors (missing the mark) must be corrected before that. That is the role of repentance, preparing us for the presence of the Lord.
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Actually, it's both. A person has to understand why they need a savior in the first place.
Why is that? I can see how it justifies the existence of churches and religious leaders to teach us. But the New Covenant in Christ says we need no one to teach us because Christ abides with us as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
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We are born under the curse of sin. Jesus' redemptive work overcame that curse. Then comes the process of sanctification, as you said.
Sin is not a curse. It is a deficiency that needs to be corrected so we hit the mark instead of miss it. None of us were capable of doing that perfectly so Jesus did it for us. He is our perfect "designated hitter," NOT our curse remover.
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:14 PM
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Why is that? I can see how it justifies the existence of churches and religious leaders to teach us. But the New Covenant in Christ says we need no one to teach us because Christ abides with us as the Comforter sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." Sin is not a curse. It is a deficiency that needs to be corrected so we hit the mark instead of miss it. None of us were capable of doing that perfectly so Jesus did it for us. He is our perfect "designated hitter," NOT our curse remover.
The Law demands perfection—an impossibility because we’re all sinful (Romans 3:10, 23). But Jesus "redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13).
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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The Law demands perfection—an impossibility because we’re all sinful (Romans 3:10, 23).
But Jesus "redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13).
The law does not demand perfection - it seeks the better good - through its spiritual application.
It's a new way to live that frees our souls to value a higher intimacy with God; and each other.
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:39 PM
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The law does not demand perfection - it seeks the better good - through its spiritual application.
It's a new way to live that frees our souls to value a higher intimacy with God; and each other.
Galatians 3

1 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
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