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Old 03-08-2016, 11:52 AM
 
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I don't remember Jesus performing too many marriage ceremonies. Or even knowing about them.
Everything Jesus said and did was of a marriage ceremony.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:54 AM
 
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Since you are a Jesus "expert", you should know the following to be true.
What does that have to do with any marriage ceremony?
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Everything Jesus said and did was of a marriage ceremony.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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The ten lost tribes were promised a betrothal that would redeem them back into Israel through a redeeming marriage and so John was sent out as the friend of the bridegroom in order to prepare the lost gentiles of Ephraim to become brides to marry a Jew in order to be called,'' Israel.''


Jews did not need a betrothal because they were already Israel. Jesus came and died having his side pierced in order to take a bride from his own body and this is the water and the blood, and then he becomes a husband within us in order for the spirit to guide the bride who has become a submissive virgin.


Israel stood at the mountain receiving a Ketubah, a wedding contract.


{Eddie Chumney}
The biblical wedding ceremony that G-d gave requires that the marriage be consummated under a wedding canopy known as a chupah. This imagery gives the understanding that the mountain had become a chupah and Israel was standing underneath the mountain or under the chupah, the place where the wedding takes place.


Every wedding will have two witnesses. They are called the friends of the bridegroom. One is assigned to the groom and one is assigned to the bride. In Exodus 19:17, Moses is seen as one of the two witnesses whose job is to escort the bride to meet the groom under the chupah {Mount Sinai}.


The written contract between the husband and the wife has the be confirmed, the water and blood as a legal witness to a consummation and two witnesses must sign the contract as legal binding witnesses.


The two witnesses are friends of the bridegroom and Moses being one of the witnesses appointed to the bride, he came down with the marriage contract and then broke it because he found them committing adultery and could not sign off on that contract so he did not allow Israel to fully enter into the marriage by breaking the two stones.


Jesus the came as the messenger of a new covenant, a new wedding contract for Ephraim and Judah, but before he could bring a new contract for Ephraim and Judah, FIRST he had to give the gentiles of Ephraim that marriage betrothal in order for Ephraim to even be present because when Jesus came, Ephraim had been lost for 700 years and they were waiting on a betrothal.


John went into Galilee of the nations in the land of Joseph where the ten tribes had sat in darkness for 700 years and they saw a great light in the bridegroom for that promised betrothal.


As it is still to this day, No Jew would stand up and redeem gentiles then or now besides jumping through hoops, and so Jesus not only came as a mediator between a couple, but he stood as a Jew offering a marriage of redemption in order to add to the nation.


He died and a bride was taken from his own body and just as it is with a betrothal, the groom then leaves and prepares a place for he and his bride to dwell together. The groom comes back by surprise and collects his bride who has been patiently waiting on her wedding day.


After you are married, you have a honeymoon that last for 7 days and it is known as the 7 days of the chupah, and it can be 7 days or 7 years.




Joel 2
16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.


The wedding takes place on a feast day appointed just for that reason and then the bride and the bridegroom go on their honeymoon and when they come back, they celebrate the wedding banquet that is an appointed feast day.


Revelation 19


The Marriage of the Lamb
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The Rider on the White Horse
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean




The giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai is where the children of Israel not only heard the voice of God but it was seen in waves and they were visualized as fiery substance just as the fire had appeard above the disciples heads on the same day. It is said by Rabbi Mshe Weissman that each commandment that Left Hashem's mouth traveled around the whole camp and the to each Jew individually, asking him,'' Do you accept upon yourself this commandment with all the halochot pertaining to it?''


Then every Jew answered saying,'' Yes.''


This was a marriage taking place with a ketubah and the bride saying,'' I do, I will,''


It was performed under a chupah and they became legally betrothed, and a betrothal is so binding that to break it, one needs to get a divorce.




But that is exactly what we are waiting on and it was the mission of Messiah to come bringing a Ketubah and establishing his ten betrothed as a legal congregation who has been redeemed through a marriage that has subsequently brought them into the inheritance of Israel.




Wives and Husbands
31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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I'm not sure if Hannibal is just being "mystical" with his idea of "everything Jesus said and did was of a marriage ceremony." Men frequently insert into Scripture ideas to make them look more "spiritually discerning."

On the other hand, the OT is quite clear in comparing God's relationship with Israel/Judea as a "marriage," based in faithfulness on God's part and unfaithfulness on the part of the Hebrews.

In Jeremiah 3:14 God calls upon the faithless Israel to return to Him "for I am your husband." Verse 20 of the same chapter reads "Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord."

And the most telling example is in the book of Hosea where God commands Hosea to marry a prostitute. She is unfaithful to Hosea but God demands Hosea take her back--illustrating His own faithfulness despite Israel's treachery.

So the story of "marriage" between God and men is certainly borne out in the tales of men about their understanding of how God dealt with them. It is understandable how, after reading the OT, some Christians would with a bit of a stretch, reach some conclusions about what Jesus taught. It is the nature of biblical idolatry to try to tie separate biblical testimonies over various centuries into a collaboration.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Here is the promise of a redeeming marriage spoken to the ten lost tribes of Israel after they had been exiled into the nations where they became gentiles.


Paul quotes this verse in speaking of the kingdom of Israel, NOT the kingdom of Judah. The sons of Joseph are promised a betrothal to bring gentiles back into the marriage contract in that they should get betrothed to a Jew and fill the void where the kingdom of Israel was put to an end and it's people scattered to the 4 corners of the Earth, but God promises that after Israel became gentiles that he would allure them to him, and he would betroth them to himself in order to find and establish Eohraim in order to make them one with Judah in a marriage.






Hosea 2- The betrothal to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Therefore I am now going to allure her;
I will lead her into the wilderness
and speak tenderly to her.
15There I will give her back her vineyards,
and will make the Valley of Achor[SIZE=4][/SIZE]a door of hope.
There she will respond[SIZE=4][/SIZE]as in the days of her youth,
as in the day she came up out of Egypt.
16“In that day,” declares the Lord,
“you will call me ‘my husband’;
you will no longer call me ‘my master.’
17I will remove the names of the Baals from her lips;
no longer will their names be invoked.
18In that day I will make a covenant for them
with the beasts of the field, the birds in the sky
and the creatures that move along the ground.
Bow and sword and battle
I will abolish from the land,
so that all may lie down in safety.
19I will betroth you to me forever;
I will betroth you inrighteousness and justice,
inlove and compassion.
20I will betroth you in faithfulness,
and you will acknowledge the Lord.

21“In that day I will respond,”
declares the Lord—
“I will respond to the skies,
and they will respond to the earth;
22and the earth will respond to the grain,
the new wine and the olive oil,
and they will respond to Jezreel.
23I will plant her for myself in the land;
I will show my love to the one I called ‘Not my loved one.’
I will say to those called ‘Not my people,’ ‘You are my people’;
and they will say, ‘You are my God.’ ”
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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I'm not sure if Hannibal is just being "mystical" with his idea of "everything Jesus said and did was of a marriage ceremony." Men frequently insert into Scripture ideas to make them look more "spiritually discerning."

On the other hand, the OT is quite clear in comparing God's relationship with Israel/Judea as a "marriage," based in faithfulness on God's part and unfaithfulness on the part of the Hebrews.

In Jeremiah 3:14 God calls upon the faithless Israel to return to Him "for I am your husband." Verse 20 of the same chapter reads "Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord."

And the most telling example is in the book of Hosea where God commands Hosea to marry a prostitute. She is unfaithful to Hosea but God demands Hosea take her back--illustrating His own faithfulness despite Israel's treachery.

So the story of "marriage" between God and men is certainly borne out in the tales of men about their understanding of how God dealt with them. It is understandable how, after reading the OT, some Christians would with a bit of a stretch, reach some conclusions about what Jesus taught. It is the nature of biblical idolatry to try to tie separate biblical testimonies over various centuries into a collaboration.


I didn't make anything from my own imagination, there are clear and certain promises of betrothal, of a wedding, of a honeymoon, of a consummation, of a wedding banquet and the brides will then give birth, and the sons circumcised.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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I didn't make anything from my own imagination, there are clear and certain promises of betrothal, of a wedding, of a honeymoon, of a consummation, of a wedding banquet and the brides will then give birth, and the sons circumcised.
Allrighty dighty then.

For me, JESUS' teaching with regard to weddings is to "be prepared" as one of the bridesmaids. And He will provide all the plentiful wine (wedding at Cana)---and drink heavily enough that religious people will call you a drunkard and a glutton! That charge didn't seem to bother Jesus much.
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Old 03-08-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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Brides that are foolish because they don't know what they are to do in preparing for the bridegroom.




Matthew 25


6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Woe unto the brides who are not able to enter into the bridal chamber.




The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again.




2 Corinthians ~ Betrothed Virgins led astray.


2For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. 3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.…


Matthew 22


'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.'…




Matthew 9:15
Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.


Everything Jesus said and did, and everything Jesus is coming to do only points to a betrothal, a wedding, a honeymoon, a consummation, a wedding banquet, a birth and a consummation from bearing a son through that consummation and the son will be born on the first day of Sukkot and circumcised on Shemini Atzereth.
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Old 03-08-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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Allrighty dighty then.

For me, JESUS' teaching with regard to weddings is to "be prepared" as one of the bridesmaids. And He will provide all the plentiful wine (wedding at Cana)---and drink heavily enough that religious people will call you a drunkard and a glutton! That charge didn't seem to bother Jesus much.

The wine which will be drank at the wine harvest is not a wine to get a person drunk at all.




The 4 cups of redemption at Passover are unfermented, new wine, non alcoholic.


Since no leaven may be present during the Passover season, the wine used by Jesus and His disciples during their Passover would have been unfermented, or non-alcoholic. The four cups symbolize the fruit of the vine, Jesus

During the week of Passover, Jesus said, "I am the true vine..." -- John 15:1. Isaiah tells us that God has a vineyard, and that vineyard is Israel. -- Isaiah 5:7
The choice vine planted in that vineyard is Messiah, Jesus.
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