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Old 03-05-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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Some claim that Jesus didn't come to die on the cross -- and they may deny what's called the "sacrificial atonement" -- meaning that Jesus atoned for our sins by sacrificing himself.

Romans 5 states that this is why Jesus came:

Romans 5:6-9
"For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God."


But there are some that say Jesus just came to show us the way, or show us how to live, or to love. If that's the case...I just have one question: Why did he only minister for about 3 years? If his intent was to just demonstrate how to live life on earth...why didn't he stick around to show more people? My thought is that he had one mission: To die on the cross. This is why he came--he didn't need to stick around afterward. He left, and the Spirit came to guide the church as it went forth to proclaim that.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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His ministry did not end upon his death, it was the beginning.
Unfortunately, many got it wrong even to this very day.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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His ministry did not end upon his death.
It was the beginning.
Correct, actually. Hebrews is clear that he is now interceding for us in Heaven as our High Priest.

But I'm curious why people think his EARTHLY ministry was only 3 years.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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The secular reason is that the conservative Jewish religious leaders hated His liberal Teachings so much that they made sure that He was stopped.
The religious reason is that His mission was to die.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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Correct, actually. Hebrews is clear that he is now interceding for us in Heaven as our High Priest.
But I'm curious why people think his EARTHLY ministry was only 3 years.
Many shroud themselves in a blood sacrifice, thinking they are wise.
But these are merely the walking dead who go to, and fro on the earth.

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Old 03-05-2016, 09:29 AM
 
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Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

I know people are caught up on a pretrib rapture and try to just Daniel for that, but this verse even predicted what would happen to Jesus. He died in the middle of the week 3.5 years through his ministry and animal sacrifices ended at the time too.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

I know people are caught up on a pretrib rapture and try to just Daniel for that, but this verse even predicted what would happen to Jesus. He died in the middle of the week 3.5 years through his ministry and animal sacrifices ended at the time too.
So you're a preterist?
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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It was His appointed time. He did say, "It is finished," and then He gave up the ghost. Peace
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Old 03-05-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

I know people are caught up on a pretrib rapture and try to just Daniel for that, but this verse even predicted what would happen to Jesus. He died in the middle of the week 3.5 years through his ministry and animal sacrifices ended at the time too.
Daniel 9:27 doesn't have anything to do with Jesus. While Daniel 9:26 is referring to the Messiah, to Jesus being cut off (killed) after the sixty-two weeks, and then prophesies the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the people of the prince who is to come, which took place in A.D. 70, some 37 to 40 years after Jesus was crucified, depending on whether He was crucified in A.D. 30 or 33, verse 27 is referring to the 'prince who is to come' which is a reference to the antichrist, also called the man of lawlessness by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2. When the prince who is to come makes a firm covenant with the many (a piece treaty with Israel), that will be the beginning of the seventieth week (a week of years - 7 years) of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy - the beginning of the Tribulation. In the middle of that seventieth week - 3 1/2 years after making that covenant, the prince who is to come (the antichrist, the man of lawlessness) will break that covenant and will seat himself in the temple (which at our present time does not exist and so needs to be rebuilt) and he will put a stop to the sacrifices and grain offerings which the Jews will be making once the temple is rebuilt. When the prince who is to come does seat himself in the temple, that is the abomination of desolation to which Jesus refers in Matthew 24:15 with reference to Daniel's prophecy.

But yes, Jesus' public ministry lasted for 3 years. The Gospel of John records 3 Passovers during Jesus' public ministry, and so 3 years.

Jesus came into the world to die for the sins of the world. But before going to the cross He also offered to bring in the Millennial kingdom at that time (after going to the cross), if Israel would accept Him as the Messiah. He had always known that He would be rejected by Israel but made the offer to give them the opportunity to accept Him. Because Israel rejected Him the Millennial kingdom on the earth is postponed until His second advent. During His public ministry He also taught how His disciples should live.

But again, His primary reason for coming into the world was to go to the cross and pay the penalty for our sins, in our place, as our substitute.
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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A charismatic, messianic, man named Jesus discovered his special purpose, and began his journey. He was poor, and his life was governed by the Temple priests, and the government of Rome.
The Temple priests were decided by Rome, so these men would be friendly to the government before a nation who believed they were God's chosen. Seems to be quite a slap on the face when the poor continued to be squeezed. Jesus and his family experienced this first hand.

He introduced something quite radical. Take care of the poor. They are your brothers and sisters. The Temple was the target of his anger. The price for sacrifice was an expensive endeavor for the poor. He began to speak about change.
His radical idea was a threat to those in power.

At the same time, this young man was a bit arrogant. His friends were quarreling. They were losing steam. They wanted their own power. Jesus saw this far too late. He already participated in the donkey run.

No man in his right mind wants to be crucified. Jesus was no different. Once he was arrested, he knew his fate.

His best friends abandoned him, and denied him. He trusted them. He lived with them for three years, and never knew them.
Some crew. Many put these guys on a pedestal. Every word is golden. I would not consider them good role models. I do not consider them inspired by God, either.

Paul was an opportunist. The other followers had difficult lives. Life time penitence for abandoning their friend. Jesus was not Christian, and neither were the Apostles. Paul, was not Christian either. Rome wiped the homeland off the map giving way to a diaspora. But, what is a powerful Rome to do? Co-opt, and blend.

It was the women who watched and tended to Jesus. I want to hear their stories. These women are my sisters, and I have a deep appreciation and respect for them.
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