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Old 03-27-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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Several times, the so-called Age of Accountability has been mentioned. Is that just an idle conjecture or can anyone cite a specific passage?
Age would be involved in order to ' teach ' someone to be a follower of Jesus - Matthew 28:18-20

What comes before conversion is: repenting - Acts 3:19; 2nd Peter 3:9

Minor children ( below age of accountability ) are protected by their parents - 1st Corinthians 7:14
But, once at the age of accountability, then that person must make his or her own dedication to God before baptism.

A dead baby is freed or acquitted from sins - Romans 6:7 - because ' death ' is the asking price for sins - Romans 6:23
Although not committing any sins yet if that baby would have continued to live he would have sinned.
That is why at birth a parent knows that its child's leanings will be toward wrongdoing.

Except for committing the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the dead are freed or acquitted from their sins - Romans 6:7 - That does Not mean now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick. However, since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18

Only some resurrected to heaven - Revelation 2:10; 5:9-10; 20:6
The majority of people will have a future resurrection back to a happy-and-healthy physical life on earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth. That is why Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.... - Psalm 72:8,12-14

Jesus will erase all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.
Even ' enemy death ' will be No more on earth - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on earth for the healing of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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Age would be involved in order to ' teach ' someone to be a follower of Jesus - Matthew 28:18-20

What comes before conversion is: repenting - Acts 3:19; 2nd Peter 3:9

Minor children ( below age of accountability ) are protected by their parents - 1st Corinthians 7:14
But, once at the age of accountability, then that person must make his or her own dedication to God before baptism.

A dead baby is freed or acquitted from sins - Romans 6:7 - because ' death ' is the asking price for sins - Romans 6:23
Although not committing any sins yet if that baby would have continued to live he would have sinned.
That is why at birth a parent knows that its child's leanings will be toward wrongdoing.

Except for committing the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the dead are freed or acquitted from their sins - Romans 6:7 - That does Not mean now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick. However, since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and will - Revelation 1:18

Only some resurrected to heaven - Revelation 2:10; 5:9-10; 20:6
The majority of people will have a future resurrection back to a happy-and-healthy physical life on earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth. That is why Acts 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.... - Psalm 72:8,12-14

Jesus will erase all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon mankind.
Even ' enemy death ' will be No more on earth - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on earth for the healing of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
In reply to your point that the dead baby is pardoned but still remains Not innocent, that agrees with my point that those babies went to Heaven even though UNsaved.
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Old 03-27-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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In reply to your point that the dead baby is pardoned but still remains Not innocent, that agrees with my point that those babies went to Heaven even though UNsaved.
And it still doesn't make sense that the baby is guilty of anything! Why would God need to pardon someone who was without guilt? None of it makes sense. We are accountable for our own sins; we are not accountable for something someone did 6000 years ago!
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Old 03-27-2016, 10:23 PM
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And it still doesn't make sense that the baby is guilty of anything! Why would God need to pardon someone who was without guilt? None of it makes sense. We are accountable for our own sins; we are not accountable for something someone did 6000 years ago!
Or even further back.

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Old 03-27-2016, 11:44 PM
 
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In reply to your point that the dead baby is pardoned but still remains Not innocent, that agrees with my point that those babies went to Heaven even though UNsaved.
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And it still doesn't make sense that the baby is guilty of anything! Why would God need to pardon someone who was without guilt? None of it makes sense. We are accountable for our own sins; we are not accountable for something someone did 6000 years ago!
People who think like that actually believe sin is some kind of disease or virus or magical tainting of their soul or spirit, Katz. That is why I decry magical thinking and all its superstitious progenitors. Babies are guilty of nothing. We are all born with an untrained and undisciplined animal nature that cannot discriminate between good or evil behavior, period. We have to develop and mature our spirit to control it. That takes time.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Or even further back.

Yup, gotcha. Arbitrary number there.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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Babies are guilty of nothing. We are all born with an untrained and undisciplined animal nature that cannot discriminate between good or evil behavior, period. We have to develop and mature our spirit to control it. That takes time.
See, we still agree on some pretty significant things, Mystic.
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Old 12-23-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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Nobody has yet cited a specific verse which specifies the so-called Age of Accountability. On the other hand, I've cited Romans 3:23 which states that "ALL have sin." Please note that I acknowledge that the babies have not committed any bad deed, but that's not the point. Instead, the point is that the actual taint of sin, that is, the inherited Adamic sin remains present in the babies when they die. As a result, they remain UNsaved when they go to Heaven. Of course, the babies are innocent as far as deeds, but the sin remains, so they remain UNsaved.
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Old 12-23-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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People who think like that actually believe sin is some kind of disease or virus or magical tainting of their soul or spirit, Katz. That is why I decry magical thinking and all its superstitious progenitors. Babies are guilty of nothing. We are all born with an untrained and undisciplined animal nature that cannot discriminate between good or evil behavior, period. We have to develop and mature our spirit to control it. That takes time.
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See, we still agree on some pretty significant things, Mystic.
Yes, it is quite satisfying.
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Nobody has yet cited a specific verse which specifies the so-called Age of Accountability. On the other hand, I've cited Romans 3:23 which states that "ALL have sin." Please note that I acknowledge that the babies have not committed any bad deed, but that's not the point. Instead, the point is that the actual taint of sin, that is, the inherited Adamic sin remains present in the babies when they die. As a result, they remain UNsaved when they go to Heaven. Of course, the babies are innocent as far as deeds, but the sin remains, so they remain UNsaved.
Utter nonsense! This kind of magical and superstitious thinking should have been outgrown centuries ago. It is sad that so many still engage in it.
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