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Old 03-10-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Well, Jeff, you have a good point about turning from sin, but most fundamentalists refuse to recognize their sin. How do we deal with that? oh wait, YOU just gave a jaundiced categorization of what LSGBT supporters believe; shame on you. Repent.
Ya furgot da "Q"...Ya ain't representin'....
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Old 03-10-2016, 07:56 AM
 
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Sorry....got to quit skimming posts....carry on.....Peace

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Old 03-10-2016, 09:20 AM
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I have a few questions. It seems as though since I'm open about being trans and bisexual, some seem to think that I'm all in favor of "anything goes" morality. I don't know where this is coming from. Why do some think this? The only thing that's changed is me simply living my truth, and being open about it. I'm not sure how that translates to " if it feels good, do it" morality. It doesn't feel good, it sucks most of the time. But it is what it is, and I have to live the life given to me. Can I get an explanation?
I suspect it's mostly Christian fundamentalists who hold that kind of opinion. The only sensible explanation I can give you is some people are bigoted idiots.
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Old 03-10-2016, 09:51 AM
 
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It's just that few people actually know what the kingdom of heaven is. You take a preacher who never sins, he never commits any kind of immoral sex, he never fornicates, he goes to church every week, and he lives up to everyone's expectation of what a believer should be, and he is just amongst the majority is all. He thinks he has obtained the resurrection when he has not. Very few people will obtain the first resurrection as we believe in resurrection. Salvation is very broad, and salvation is salvation.


But that is just standing in the court with 99 percent of believers.


Very few people will be in the first resurrection but Christianity somehow teaches that if you believe in Jesus, you are going to be resurrected to judge the 12 tribes of Israel, but that was spoke to people who left family, jobs, houses, and gave up their whole lives to follow God and most were killed in the end for what they believed.


Some smuck who just believes in God like I do is not going to the same place as those people.


There are 3 sections of heaven and 99 percent of people will never ever enter into the higher Zoe kingdom, and when it speaks about liars, there are millions of Christian liars standing right there in the same place with the sexual immoral.


They will never enter the kingdom of heaven, and this is the higher Zoe kingdom, they are saved but escorted out of the higher kingdom time and time again and people somehow suppose that because they are escorted out of the higher kingdom, this means certain hell or something when it doesn't mean that at all.


It just means they didn't enter higher Zoe abundant life, but they are saved in my opinion, or should I say, that perhaps something was created.''


But a big percent of Christianity loves to love a lie, and liars are in the same place with murderers, with thieves and others. But I don't even think it means murder, but that they killed the inner man, and with thieves, they stole a life. The sexually immoral are as two men in a bed, because the spirit male must lead the flesh, but many refuse to become a submissive virgin and so they are two men, sexually immoral in a spiritual sense.

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Old 03-10-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Says another theologian with many times more studying and research?
Once again, you're both incapable of addressing the subject
matter in my post so choose to "attack" me. Tedious.
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Old 03-10-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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I have a few questions. It seems as though since I'm open about being trans and bisexual, some seem to think that I'm all in favor of "anything goes" morality. I don't know where this is coming from. Why do some think this? The only thing that's changed is me simply living my truth, and being open about it. I'm not sure how that translates to " if it feels good, do it" morality. It doesn't feel good, it sucks most of the time. But it is what it is, and I have to live the life given to me. Can I get an explanation?

I'm sorry, I have more empathy than you know (I have CLOSE friends that are or were L or G), but I just can't let this slide....there is no such thing as "your truth", there is only G-d's Truth, and THAT is where you get "your truth" from, and ANYTHING that conflicts with His Truth, is a lie.

My boss at one point in my walk was gay. The Lord foretold this meeting by giving me a dream about him and his boyfriend, a year before he ever became my boss. In the dream, I saw them, and KNEW that one of them was a gourmet cook and one of them was dressed in Native American garb. It was for me to "recognize" them down the road, and I did a year down the road, about 2 months after he became my boss.

Anyway, they had broken up, and my boss was talking to him one day on the phone trying to explain what had happened to him as a result of his baptism in the Holy Ghost and coming to the Lord, and as is my nature, I began to pray in the Spirit quietly, asking the Lord if there was anything He could use me to do in this situation. He gave me a lot of things (this is called word of knowledge-read Corinthians) about this young man, INCLUDING his dressing up in Native American garb a lot (he had some Native blood and went to all the powwows); that's how I knew who "they" were, I didn't realize it until that exact moment. My boss was the gourmet cook.

So my boss gets off the phone (had already received the Lord by praying with me and was baptized in the HG and had begun to turn his life around) and I tell him what the Lord said. He started to cry, and asked me if he could in anyway "stand in" for his former boyfriend and let me pray for him. I said I would. Immediately, I felt as though a python was squeezing me, trying to crush me. I was astonished, not afraid, and asked the Lord what is this, and he said it was on that boy. My boss started to cry again, telling me he didn't know how many times his boyfriend had said it felt like he was being crushed by something he couldn't see, and he wanted to die to escape it, had thought about suicide several times.

Now those that have it, may not be privileged to feel it YET, but that is the homosexual spirit. I say "privileged", because if the Lord is letting you know there is a presence of any kind, it means He is standing there waiting to set you free. It seeks to squeeze the life out of it's victims, the life of the spirit He gave us. NO ONE should be ostracized that has been taken captive of this spirit, they should be PRAYED FOR and the mercy of G-d extended to them, for there but by His grace could ANY of us had been made to walk.

At this point, I'm going to copy and paste another post I wrote that explains basic spiritual principles of how this temple we call a body, can and does become defiled. It doesn't matter what spirit it is, the principle is the same. People need to wake up; we have been in a SPIRITUAL battle since the fall, and our weapons are not carnal, but SPIRITUAL. You can't lecture spirits all day long and expect them to respond the way you want them to. You can't change man from the inside out, with programs and multiple letters behind your name, nor preaching at them in condemnation. ONLY G-d can change man and He does it from the inside out, not the outside in. You can put stripes on our carnal ass nature and tell yourself it's a zebra, but at the end of the day, it's still an ass.

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that G-d's Spirit IS love, BUT (and it's a BIG but), His love is NOT an, I'm ok, you're ok, feel good EMOTION; in fact, it's not an emotion AT ALL. It can and does express itself THROUGH our emotions (we give up ours, we get His, we decrease, He increases), WHICH IS WHAT THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT ARE, but He's not moved by our "type" of emotions at all.

Further, His love is the ONLY true love, His Word the only viable source to discover just what that love is like. And frankly, His love HURTS sometime; it hurts the flesh we've grown accustomed to keeping around. Maybe we were born with it (as a generational curse) and grew up with it and we've had it so long we falsely believe it's a part of us, because it's all we've known. But that's what the circumcision we ALL have to go through IS for, the cutting away of the things that cover our upright member (righteousness means upright, and He IS the Seed), which is what the parable of the wheat and the tares is all about.

Maybe we were led into it from being abused as a child. The spirit of it still has transfer rights, because whoever you are joined to, willingly or not, that spirit has a legal right to become one with YOU. And that goes for ANY DARKNESS. Which is one reason why He's so adamant against fornication; it only serves to strengthen the bands that are already there (by receiving a double portion) or by addition of something that wasn't.

So knowing that, can we see why HIS LOVE, which seeks not it's own things, would be very strict towards the issue, knowing that His child, whom He LOVES (not as mankind "loves" who only seek after their own things and not the things which be of Christ), is taking on even more darkness that leads to nothing but poverty, sickness and death, the very curses He sent His Son in the flesh of Yeshua to overcome?

So our focus should not just be on the "sinner" of which we are all one, but rather on the nature and the quality of the love we are expressing we claim is from G-d, to try to help that sinner. If it doesn't line up with His, then it's one of those carnal beastly natures of the serpent, which is more SUBTLE than all the other beasts of the field (you and me). Be wise as a serpent, but gentle as a dove. That means to have the wisdom of the subtle serpent has (who knows how to slay man any better than he?), but the gentleness of the dove when dealing with it (who knows how to LOVE but He who IS LOVE?) Peace

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Old 03-10-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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John Lennon, an agnostic, knew Jesus better then than you do now.

Lennon wrote "It matters not who you love, where you love, why you love, when you love, or how you love. It only matters that you love."

And Christ spoke harshly only to Pharisees, the greatest bible-believers of His day, calling them vipers and white washed tombs full of bones and rottenness. Religious "bible believers" were the only ones to whom He gave personal warnings about their sin. But God has covered your eyes and stopped your ears lest you repent and have the minuscule faith of Lennon.
You are wrong. Christ spoke against all sinful people. He chased out the money changers from the temple. They were not all Pharisees. He showed the sin of selfishness to the rich man when he told him that he must sell all his possessions.

I'll put my faith in the Word of God, not the gospel of Lennon.

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If you had the faith Lennon exhibited you could move mountains. Instead, on this thread you told someone to do what you refuse to do---look at their own sin.

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Wow, look who is judging now? The difference is I don't seek to call people out by name like you do, and attack their character. I don't know the OP. I don't know her heart or walk with God so I certainly am not looking to throw down judgement against someone specifically. But that doesn't mean I have to remain silent and not dare teach what is sinful behavior according to the Word of God.

You know if you are following Lennon's words and Christ example, that means you have to show love to me as well.

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Old 03-10-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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You are wrong. Christ spoke against all sinful people. He chased out the money changers from the temple. They were not all Pharisees. He showed the sin of selfishness to the rich man when he told him that he must sell all his possessions.
(1) First, we don't know they weren't all Pharisees--that's your assumption, like most of your so-called biblical "knowledge."
(2) We can be certain that even if the money-changers were not Pharisees, they wouldn't have been there without the approval of Pharisees/Saducees.
(3) Jesus tells YOU to love everyone as yourself, but you don't practice it-at least not a single post I've ever read that is yours shows any love for those outside the walls of your religion. Did Jesus call the rich man selfish? No, again, it is your assumption which you impose onto Scripture. What Jesus did, in light of all the other Scripture illustrating Jesus, is explain to the rich man that the cost of discipleship is great. It isn't "free," at all. That's Paul's contention--that everything is "free." The rich man would have disagreed with Paul.
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I'll put my faith in the Word of God, not the gospel of Lennon.
I have faith in the Word of God--and I accept the witness of those who have a desire to point to God. Your desire is to point people to the Bible and talk about the sins of other people (except fundamentalist christians whom you have defended right through pedophilia).
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Wow, look who is judging now? The difference is I don't seek to call people out by name like you do, and attack their character. I don't know the OP. I don't know her heart or walk with God so I certainly am not looking to throw down judgement against someone specifically. But that doesn't mean I have to remain silent and not dare teach what is sinful behavior according to the Word of God.

You know if you are following Lennon's words and Christ example, that means you have to show love to me as well.
(1)You aren't judging? Read her post 46 again. That's not how you made her feel. She felt plenty of judgment, and I suspect she has experienced plenty of it in her lifetime (because of fundamentalist religion) and is able to recognize it easily.
(2) In Matthew 7:2 Jesus said "For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."
Consider my words to be Jesus meting out to you what you have done to others. It is returned to you with interest.
(3). I do love you, but I don't like you. You have made many posts about love the sinner hate the sin. I think it is B.S., but you are required to forgive ME, by your own supposed beliefs--unless you are a hypocrite.

Standing up for those who were sinners but beaten down by Pharisees was a trademark of Jesus. He called Pharisees "vipers." Why should you berate me for following His example?
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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I’m honestly getting to a point where I feel like “just let them have it”.
The people that want to insist that beeing a christian is just trying to **** of everyone by forcing your beliefs down their throat? Fine, take the term “christian”, I don’t want anything to do with you anymore anyway. Lets see if God will bless it if you continue to complain about how the other kids aren’t playing by your rules.

The people that want to go on and on about a "War on Christmas" A phrase that doesn't mean anything anyway. Fine, have your war . It’s just a stupid commercialism fest anyway, see if God really cares if I say “Happy Holidays”, like it matters. God cares much more about goodwill toward all, than about whether we say "Merry Christmas", "Happy Holidays" or something else entirely.

The people with their endless culture war persecution complex. You can have it. It's lost, you...all of you are lost, but you can have it. Keep your noses out of other people's relationships and medical decisions. Try minding your own business for once. Every time you pick at someone else's splinter, that log in your eye just keeps getting wedged in deeper and deeper. All of your endless yammering about other people's "sins", and shortcomings, and you consistently refuse to acknowledge or even try to fix your own lives. You can have the "christian" label, I don't want it anymore.

I would also love to see the term christian closer related to weird cults that try to control people with an iron grip. We’re already halfway there, the reputation is already set. Lets just finish it off and ruin the name so we can start over…this time without labels, names, positions, ranks, ministries, speakers, networking, missions, programs, the frauds, the quacks, the “miracles” the “music”…all of that, that whole overgrown disgusting Six Flags over Jesus subculture of sub-par commercialism dressed as a remnant of faith in Christ. Let it die, please God let it die.
Quit trying to force your beliefs down our throats!
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Old 03-10-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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(1) First, we don't know they weren't all Pharisees--that's your assumption, like most of your so-called biblical "knowledge."
(2) We can be certain that even if the money-changers were not Pharisees, they wouldn't have been there without the approval of Pharisees/Saducees.
(3) Jesus tells YOU to love everyone as yourself, but you don't practice it-at least not a single post I've ever read that is yours shows any love for those outside the walls of your religion. Did Jesus call the rich man selfish? No, again, it is your assumption which you impose onto Scripture. What Jesus did, in light of all the other Scripture illustrating Jesus, is explain to the rich man that the cost of discipleship is great. It isn't "free," at all. That's Paul's contention--that everything is "free." The rich man would have disagreed with Paul.
Well maybe that's because you and your atheists friends keep me on the defense all the time. I find your accusations quite hypocritical since your posts are snarky, rude and certainly not even friendly. You have a very shakey foundation for your faith since you have openly admitted to rejecting large portions of the Bible. You can't tell me that you believe in the Word of God yet reject parts of it too.

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I have faith in the Word of God--and I accept the witness of those who have a desire to point to God. Your desire is to point people to the Bible and talk about the sins of other people (except fundamentalist christians whom you have defended right through pedophilia).
Not only are you being extremely judgemental but you resort gross lies. I defend the truth as I see it, and that has never included pedophilia. What a horrible thing to say! I came out here clearly retracting my position on Josh Duggar as well. Thank goodness I serve a God who can still forgive us no matter how fall we fall from grace.

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(1)You aren't judging? Read her post 46 again. That's not how you made her feel. She felt plenty of judgment, and I suspect she has experienced plenty of it in her lifetime (because of fundamentalist religion) and is able to recognize it easily.
No, I'm not judging her. I never called her out specifically, said her name or addressed her lifestyle. That's the kind of things you and your friends do to me.

God calls us to love all people which means you need to let go of this bitter anger for fundamentalist Christians.
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