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Old 03-13-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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Faith is the evidence of what you have set your heart and mind on and believed to be true(the unseen).

What is written above is a completely false statement

The same as sin is a noun all people are born with that causes them to commit more sin, the faith of Jesus Christ living in true and obedient believers of Jesus Christ is also a noun. However, because it is the faith of Jesus Christ we are speaking of here and not our own faith as you propose, therefore the beliefs that make up the faith of Jesus Christ are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Consequently, if what someone believes about Jesus Christ, and the foundational doctrines of Jesus Christ as they appear in the first two verses of Hebrews chapter 6 is not the truth, then the faith living in this person is not the faith of Jesus Christ but is the faith coming from an imposter AKA antichrist appearing in your heart instead of the real Christ.

It is this latter condition that it is your problem as well as the others in your little circle of lovebirds where anything goes because you all do what is right in your own eyes and not the eyes of God

Ribbi1 has this right but you do not

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Old 03-13-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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What is written above is a completely false statement

The same as sin is a noun all people are born with that causes them to commit more sin, the faith of Jesus Christ living in true and obedient believers of Jesus Christ is also a noun. However, because it is the faith of Jesus Christ we are speaking of here and not our own faith as you propose, therefore the beliefs that make up the faith of Jesus Christ are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Consequently, if what someone believes about Jesus Christ, and the foundational doctrines of Jesus Christ as they appear in the first two verses of Hebrews chapter 6 is not the truth, then the faith living in this person is not the faith of Jesus Christ but is the faith coming from an imposter AKA antichrist appearing in your heart instead of the real Christ.

It is this latter condition that it is your problem as well as the others in your little circle of lovebirds where anything goes because you all do what is right in your own eyes and not the eyes of God

Ribi has this right but you do not
It's absolutely true, we are what we set our affections on, deny it as much as you want, it will not change a thing . If you are like many on this thread concerning yourself with what is sin, you are basically storing up within yourself that which in time show in your life.


A good man(The righteous conscious minded man)brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man(the sin conscious minded man) brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

I will go as far to say that the sin conscious bible believing Christian does not have a clue what righteousness is
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Old 03-13-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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It's absolutely true, we are what we set our affections on, deny it as much as you want, it will not change a thing . If you are like many on this thread concerning yourself with what is sin, you are basically storing up within yourself that which in time show in your life.


A good man(The righteous conscious minded man)brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man(the sin conscious minded man) brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

I will go as far to say that the sin conscious bible believing Christian does not have a clue what righteousness is
Jesus was a sin conscious believer and deliver of the scriptures.

However because His Spirit has no sin in it as the spirit of man does, when a beliver receives the Holy Spirit in His name that is without sin, the believer is given the power to become a son of God who will not sin

The "catch" is they have to continue on being taught the truth because faith cometh by hearing, hearing the Word of God Who cannot lie

As soon as the truth stops and the lies start, it is no longer the faith of He who is the truth! This ends up leaving the person worse off than they were before........... or at least until the truth is revealed and they repent of the lies they allowed to take root in them
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Old 03-13-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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It's absolutely true, we are what we set our affections on, deny it as much as you want, it will not change a thing . If you are like many on this thread concerning yourself with what is sin, you are basically storing up within yourself that which in time show in your life.


A good man(The righteous conscious minded man)brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man(the sin conscious minded man) brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.

I will go as far to say that the sin conscious bible believing Christian does not have a clue what righteousness is

And these two men ARE ONE; it is the TWO NATURES, fighting within man, until the break of day, until the DAYSTAR arises in his heart. It is man, in this 2 day dispensation, who has two horns, the "horn" of the carnal mind and the "horn" of the Spirit, ie. the DOUBLE MINDED man who is UNSTABLE in all of his ways.


Perfection is not in this realm, it's the IN PART REALM, it wasn't designed to be, and no, you're not a "righteous conscious" minded man any more than the rest of us who received the portion of the priests on Pentecost, and I'm not saying this to condemn you in any way, it's a fact born witness by WHAT DAY IT IS, it's nothing at all personal. Peace
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Old 03-13-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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The same as sin is a noun all people are born with that causes them to commit more sin, the faith of Jesus Christ living in true and obedient believers of Jesus Christ is also a noun. However, because it is the faith of Jesus Christ we are speaking of here and not our own faith as you propose, therefore the beliefs that make up the faith of Jesus Christ are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The Scriptures never say that God is faith or hope.
However, they do speak to that of: "God is love."

And love, more than faith and hope, will never fail you.
It’s the embodiment of all that is good and perfect.

"Love in its divine origin is an action-producing noun."

Do you live with the conviction that love matters - most of ALL?
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Old 03-13-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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And these two men ARE ONE; it is the TWO NATURES, fighting within man, until the break of day, until the DAYSTAR arises in his heart. It is man, in this 2 day dispensation, who has two horns, the "horn" of the carnal mind and the "horn" of the Spirit, ie. the DOUBLE MINDED man who is UNSTABLE in all of his ways.


Perfection is not in this realm, it's the IN PART REALM, it wasn't designed to be, and no, you're not a "righteous conscious" minded man any more than the rest of us who received the portion of the priests on Pentecost, and I'm not saying this to condemn you in any way, it's a fact born witness by WHAT DAY IT IS, it's nothing at all personal. Peace
The man who does not know who he is, is double minded . The man who knows his true identity is Jesus Christ reflects that. In other words when I behold Jesus Christ I see my true identity

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same-image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
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Old 03-13-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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Jesus was a sin conscious believer and deliver of the scriptures.

However because His Spirit has no sin in it as the spirit of man does, when a beliver receives the Holy Spirit in His name that is without sin, the believer is given the power to become a son of God who will not sin

The "catch" is they have to continue on being taught the truth because faith cometh by hearing, hearing the Word of God Who cannot lie

As soon as the truth stops and the lies start, it is no longer the faith of He who is the truth! This ends up leaving the person worse off than they were before........... or at least until the truth is revealed and they repent of the lies they allowed to take root in them
No he wasn't . He pointed the seeker to righteousness.
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Old 03-13-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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The man who does not know who he is, is double minded . The man who knows his true identity is Jesus Christ reflects that. In other words when I behold Jesus Christ I see my true identity

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same-image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord
Did you really see that scripture? Did you note the word CHANGED, as in, you have to change? But change from what if you don't sin and you're already perfect just because you know who your true identity is supposed to BE (after the change).

Well, what is this change? Is it proclaiming love for everyone while leaving them in the pit snakebit and with gore wounds from a bull (I leave you to guess it's origin) on the Sabbath? I think not.

Let's look at it. What "glass" is it referring to, first of all? Make it according to the pattern. It would be the bronze laver made from the looking glasses (which were brass, a component of bronze) of the women. WHO looked in that laver and why? Do you know? When did they do it? Do you know?

The priests used it to wash the themselves, even the blood of the sacrifices INCLUDING FOR SIN. It's a type of the WORD, by which, if we look at it with an OPEN FACE = OPEN TO RECEIVE ANOTHER NATURE, we see in that Word just where we fall short, and need to slaughter us some carnal beastly nature to throw on the BBQ, knowing that without the shedding of blood, THERE IS NO REMISSION FOR SINS.

That means, to bring it down to shoe leather, had I not seen it and not repented of it, and applied the Word to it, I would have died from cancer from a root of bitterness. Contrary to New Age doctrines which have crept into the "church" looking for more silly women/souls laden with sins to attach themselves to, we have to bring sacrifices for sin DAILY, trim wicks DAILY. Blood has to be shed, and it's OURS. The life is in the blood, and THIS is part of the life we have to lay down, where it says a friend lays down his life and NO GREATER love has any man than this, He MEANS IT. NO GREATER LOVE, PERIOD.

Now what about the glory....we are changed (if we COOPERATE with the Spirit and the Word) from glory TERRESTRIAL (image of the beast) to glory CELESTIAL (image of the Son who is Spirit and the SEED).

See, all these things have fallen into the, name it, claim it realm devoid of EXPERIENCING IT spiritually which then and only then, enables one to walk it out in shoe leather. Otherwise it's JUST DEAD RELIGION, doesn't matter if sounds good, or looks good, and promises life, it's still death producing.

The true church, the one that is His SPIRITUAL BODY, the one in the very beginning not the one that Nicolas, Constantine, the RCC and thousands of others after her, was made according to the pattern, began to fulfill the pattern, just as the Son fulfilled the pattern and BECAME THE SON OF G-D THOUGH OBEDIENCE AND THE THINGS THAT HE SUFFERED. The servant is not greater than the Master. Salt must be added before the water becomes sweet again. Peace

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Old 03-13-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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The Scriptures never say that God is faith or hope.
However, they do speak to that of: "God is love."

And love, more than faith and hope, will never fail you.
Itís the embodiment of all that is good and perfect.

"Love in its divine origin is an action-producing noun."

Do you live with the conviction that love matters - most of ALL?
Only the love of Christ is the embodiment of all that is good and perfect.............. consequently without the truth of Christ in one's heart that is the faith of Christ in them, one cannot have the love of Christ in them............. thems the facts

The law of faith is the law of Christ working through the faith of Christ in them, a man is then justified and above condemnation........... Christ = the man Jesus who was/is God incarnate

Ro.3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



Just so you know there is a law of Christ........

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
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Old 03-13-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Did you really see that scripture? Did you note the word CHANGED, as in, you have to change? But change from what if you don't sin and you're already perfect just because you know who your true identity is supposed to BE (after the change).

Well, what is this change? Is it proclaiming love for everyone while leaving them in the pit snakebit and with gore wounds from a bull on the Sabbath? I think not.

Let's look at it. What "glass" is it referring to, first of all? Make it according to the pattern. It would be the bronze laver made from the looking glasses (which were brass, a component of bronze) of the women. WHO looked in that laver and why? Do you know? When did they do it? Do you know?

They used it to wash the themselves, even the blood of the sacrifices INCLUDING FOR SIN. It's a type of the WORD, by which, if we look at it with an OPEN FACE = OPEN TO RECEIVE ANOTHER NATURE, we see in that Word just where we fall short, and need to slaughter us some carnal beastly nature to throw on the BBQ, knowing that without the shedding of blood, THERE IS NO REMISSION FOR SINS.

Now what about the glory....we are changed (if we COOPERATE with the Spirit and the Word) from glory TERRESTRIAL (image of the beast) to glory CELESTIAL (image of the Son who is Spirit and the SEED).

See, all these things have fallen into the, name it, claim it realm devoid of EXPERIENCING IT spiritually which then and only then, enables one to walk it out in shoe leather. Otherwise it's JUST DEAD RELIGION, doesn't matter if sounds good, or looks good, and promises life, it's still death producing.


The true church, the one in the beginning not the one that Nicolas, Constantine, the RCC and thousands of others after her, was made according to the pattern, fulfilled the pattern, just as the Son fulfilled the pattern and BECAME THE SON OF G-D THOUGH OBEDIENCE AND THE THINGS THAT HE SUFFERED. The servant is not greater than the Master. Salt must be added before the water becomes sweet again. Peace
You still don't get it because you are sold out to being sin conscious. Those that believe are changing into their true identity, in other words that which is not who we are is fading away so that which is who we are is surfacing . It's not a hard concept to understand unless of course you have been deceived by the original sin doctrine.

Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it. Michelangelo. He actually chipped away at the marble until it revealed David. When we let go of all our biases, false concepts and pre conceived of ourselves and God then our true identity of God and ourselves is made known .
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