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Old 03-11-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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So you really can't just read the Bible and go by God's commands, it's a lot more complicated?
Read the WHOLE Bible..not just picking out verses here and there.
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But the point that Paul was making is that although we have freedom to do things that may have been prohibited under the Law, they are not beneficial to us.


You simply limit the point Paul was making: when Law is not the factor by which we need to conduct our lives, then what needs to be considered is the value of our action or inaction.
The Law is the measuring stick. it's not that we have to worry about doing wrong--because we are forgiven when we do. It instead tells us what a good work is. For example, we don't just avoid stealing...we actually protect our neighbor's goods. We not only don't kill....we should look out for our neighbor's well-being.
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Old 03-11-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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See God is not unjust , and He is not proud, and He is not divisive, and He is not hateful , and God is not selfish , and God is not unmerciful , and God is not a weakling , God is Not controlling to people who do not want to be controlled , So if you know the attributes of God , then you will now the things which God is not ...........................So God brought some ethics and rules so people can be in sync. with the character of God , and then God also had rules in the beginnings which God would have covenant with people .....................Then the character God was not , was taken over by the demons and fallen angels to confuse God and the people who turn to God ,.......... so we have the adversary spirit of this world ,.......... and some of the rules of God made it safe for people to avoid the devil and his wicked angels , which could over take the will of man ........................ See man was not created with natural senses into the spirit of demons and fallen angels ..........................People who are not under the law are people who have the spirit of Christ and are lead in the spirit of God , as the spirit of God know the law and will lead people not to cross the law ,... and it can cross the presence of the spirit of Christ ........See the spirit of God does not condemn people , but will lead people and help in removing of sin , so the Spirit of God can abide on the believer ...........See the 10 commandments was brought to people God wanted to be in covenant with and people who were in the world and just barely saved
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:14 PM
 
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The person that started this topic (nateswift) does not believe Mary was a virgin. Just posting this for informational purposes for the reader. Just read the first page of the following topic.




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Virgin birth of Jesus

This one appears to have been an early perception intended originally to increase the "stature" of the man as opposed to the message, and is clearly a part of the transformation of "the Way," or the relationship with God and man taught by Jesus, into a religion that could be administered by self-appointed "priests."

It stems from a transformation of "young woman" into "virgin" and seems to have been at least in part a nod to the "goddess" religions of the time (See Graves The White Goddess).

A later use of the idea appears to have been to strengthen the perception of Jesus as "the perfect sacrifice" in the barbaric "substitution atonement" theory that will be covered in later threads.
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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Read the WHOLE Bible..not just picking out verses here and there.
The purpose of doing that is to discern the central theme and context of Christ's mission and message. Unfortunately, when you begin with the wrong central them and mission, the message is unavoidably corrupted. What mainstream Christian dogma has done to Christ's message is corrupt it beyond recognition fulfilling the prophesy that in these latter days the majority would be apostate anti-Christ followers of fables, Jewish genealogies and old wives tales.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Yep. And they haven't a clue.
Yet, they keep crying wolf.

Until it has devoured them.

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Old 03-12-2016, 08:48 PM
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The purpose of doing that is to discern the central theme and context of Christ's mission and message. Unfortunately, when you begin with the wrong central them and mission, the message is unavoidably corrupted. What mainstream Christian dogma has done to Christ's message is corrupt it beyond recognition fulfilling the prophesy that in these latter days the majority would be apostate anti-Christ followers of fables, Jewish genealogies and old wives tales.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
And yet, you reject half of what Jesus said and most of what Paul said, who wrote the letters to Timothy that you quote above.
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Old 03-14-2016, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Read the WHOLE Bible..not just picking out verses here and there.


The Law is the measuring stick. it's not that we have to worry about doing wrong--because we are forgiven when we do. It instead tells us what a good work is. For example, we don't just avoid stealing...we actually protect our neighbor's goods. We not only don't kill....we should look out for our neighbor's well-being.
So, basically, you have to make a fairly thorough study of the Bible to determine which "laws" apply to you? The alternative is to trust your friendly local thologians who has done so and he can tell you what is right and wrong? What about all the friendly local theologians who disagree with each other?

No, Vizio, it's not that complicated. Law is a reasonable tool for quick reference, but NOT any kind of final authority. Laws and advice concerning the humane treatment of slaves are very good....until you bunk up against the idea that owning another human is just not right in ANY case. An idea promoted by the Spirit long after Biblical times.

Your examples and expansion are all very well, Vizio, but what about when what has been considered a law for a long time comes up against new data and situations that were not covered by the original, or it appears that the intent of the original has been misconstrued?

The final authority is ans should be that Spirit of concern for the well0-being of everyone in any situation that is the kind of love Jesus taught.
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Old 03-14-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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And yet, you reject half of what Jesus said and most of what Paul said, who wrote the letters to Timothy that you quote above.
Do you need to be reminded that quoting is for your benfit and not as authority? That what is quoted is confirmed by the Spirit?
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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Read the WHOLE Bible..not just picking out verses here and there.


The Law is the measuring stick. it's not that we have to worry about doing wrong--because we are forgiven when we do. It instead tells us what a good work is. For example, we don't just avoid stealing...we actually protect our neighbor's goods. We not only don't kill....we should look out for our neighbor's well-being.
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So, basically, you have to make a fairly thorough study of the Bible to determine which "laws" apply to you? The alternative is to trust your friendly local thologians who has done so and he can tell you what is right and wrong? What about all the friendly local theologians who disagree with each other?

No, Vizio, it's not that complicated. Law is a reasonable tool for quick reference, but NOT any kind of final authority. Laws and advice concerning the humane treatment of slaves are very good....until you bunk up against the idea that owning another human is just not right in ANY case. An idea promoted by the Spirit long after Biblical times.

Your examples and expansion are all very well, Vizio, but what about when what has been considered a law for a long time comes up against new data and situations that were not covered by the original, or it appears that the intent of the original has been misconstrued?

The final authority is ans should be that Spirit of concern for the well0-being of everyone in any situation that is the kind of love Jesus taught.
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Old 03-16-2016, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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