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Old 03-15-2016, 03:01 PM
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Define it for me. What is and is not "compatible" with agape love?

Is worshiping Allah compatible?
Therein lies the problem. Mystic has self-imposed a standard that God must follow, regardless of what Jesus said.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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There is a standard, Vizio - agape love. If their bad taco produces something that is not compatible with agape love it is NOT of the Spirit of God, period. You keep pretending there is no standard, when in reality you just ignore it.
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Define it for me. What is and is not "compatible" with agape love?
Is worshiping Allah compatible?
That you do not know what that means signifies how removed from the "mind of Christ" you are. Your question about worship is silly. Agape love is a state of mind, NOT a set of physical or carnal actions. It is a love for God and the well being of everyone without exception. There is only ONE God, Vizio. It is not possible to love any other.
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Therein lies the problem. Mystic has self-imposed a standard that God must follow, regardless of what Jesus said.
You know and have been shown many, many times that it is not my standard. It is the one established and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. God IS agape love and 1 Cor 13 describes it in detail. You should pay particular attention to 1 Cor 13:13 which established the priority of agape love.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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What happens if someone claims to be hearing the Spirit but is instead suffering from a bad taco? How do you know?
That's why there are giftings in the church. You know the passage. He gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers, pastors. Pastors should be able to teach. But it doesn't say Pastors are also prophetic and their job is to vet every word anyone brings. Hence the role of the prophetic. ...in the end, every individual is charged with weighng and testing for themselves, so the 'those that watch over you to give an account' was as far as I can see Paul's patriarchal hierarchical ideology - not something Jesus manifested in the way he related to people.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:52 PM
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You know and have been shown many, many times that it is not my standard. It is the one established and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. God IS agape love and 1 Cor 13 describes it in detail. You should pay particular attention to 1 Cor 13:13 which established the priority of agape love.
You reach that conclusion based on 50% of what Jesus said.
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Old 03-15-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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That you do not know what that means signifies how removed from the "mind of Christ" you are. Your question about worship is silly. Agape love is a state of mind, NOT a set of physical or carnal actions. It is a love for God and the well being of everyone without exception. There is only ONE God, Vizio. It is not possible to love any other.
You know and have been shown many, many times that it is not my standard. It is the one established and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. God IS agape love and 1 Cor 13 describes it in detail. You should pay particular attention to 1 Cor 13:13 which established the priority of agape love.
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You reach that conclusion based on 50% of what Jesus said.
You accept contradictory things coming from Jesus because you do NOT TEST the Spirit of anything attributed to Jesus, including the entire OT based on the "precepts and doctrines of men." Jesus had nothing to do with the OT except that it tells us about Him, how to identify Him, what He would do, and how to validate Him even after His death. He used what our ancestors knew about the OT as the springboard to the new understanding of God He came to teach.
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Old 03-16-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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You accept contradictory things coming from Jesus because you do NOT TEST the Spirit of anything attributed to Jesus, including the entire OT based on the "precepts and doctrines of men." Jesus had nothing to do with the OT except that it tells us about Him, how to identify Him, what He would do, and how to validate Him even after His death. He used what our ancestors knew about the OT as the springboard to the new understanding of God He came to teach.
How would you even know who Jesus is, if not for the Scriptures? You condemn the scriptures as "barbaric", but then you try to quote from them when it serves you to claim you know what they say. But when your "agape love" feeling disagrees with it, it's barbaric.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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How would you even know who Jesus is, if not for the Scriptures? You condemn the scriptures as "barbaric", but then you try to quote from them when it serves you to claim you know what they say. But when your "agape love" feeling disagrees with it, it's barbaric.
I wonder how the "spirit of agape love" feels about double-mindedness.
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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I wonder how the "spirit of agape love" feels about double-mindedness.
I wonder who taught this 'agape love' comparison doctrine. Who started it? It wasn't Jesus. When Jesus was tempted by Satan. Jesus didn't compare if what Satan said was true or not by using 'agape love'. In Matthew the 4th chapter and in verses 4, 7, 10 Jesus said, "it is written". Jesus used the Bible of the time to prove Satan wrong. Not once did he compare what was true using 'agape love'. In fact, I can't think of single instance in the whole Bible where he does that. Or any disciple from that matter.

In fact when Satan took Jesus to the top of the mountain to offer him all the kingdoms of the world. if Jesus was using agape love to make his decision, Jesus would've done the act of worship to Satan to take over the world right then and save all mankind. But Jesus did do that. Is it because Jesus doesn't love the world? Of course not. But Jesus answered Satan, "For is is written;It is Lord your God you must worship." Jesus was referencing Deuteronomy 6:13 that says, "Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve, and by his name you should swear." In fact in all of Jesus' quotes in Matthew chapter 4 come from the book of Deuteronomy, which was the Mosaic Law.

So where did this 'agape love' comparison come from? It wasn't started by Jesus because Jesus used the Bible.

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Old 03-16-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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You accept contradictory things coming from Jesus because you do NOT TEST the Spirit of anything attributed to Jesus, including the entire OT based on the "precepts and doctrines of men." Jesus had nothing to do with the OT except that it tells us about Him, how to identify Him, what He would do, and how to validate Him even after His death. He used what our ancestors knew about the OT as the springboard to the new understanding of God He came to teach.
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How would you even know who Jesus is, if not for the Scriptures? You condemn the scriptures as "barbaric", but then you try to quote from them when it serves you to claim you know what they say. But when your "agape love" feeling disagrees with it, it's barbaric.
How can you read what I posted and not understand a word of it??? Of course the scriptures tell us of Jesus. That is their purpose. But Jesus is the Word of God, NOT the scriptures. You do not even try to understand the "mind of Christ" so you cannot know the "mind of God." Blindly parroting verses as if they are true without testing them against any consistent standard as revealed by Jesus as the true nature of God is anathema to God and Jesus. Jesus unambiguously demonstrated what agape love is and He told us God IS agape love. Pretending that it is all in my mind is disingenuous and deceptive. You carry a heavy burden for it, Vizio.
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I wonder how the "spirit of agape love" feels about double-mindedness.
Using the Spirit of agape love (Who IS God) as the standard produces a single-minded focus. Using your blind acceptance of contradictory verses using excuses like God's ways are not our ways is truly double-minded.
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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I wonder who taught this 'agape love' comparison doctrine. Who started it? It wasn't Jesus. When Jesus was tempted by Satan. Jesus didn't compare if what Satan said was true or not by using 'agape love'. In Matthew the 4th chapter and in verses 4, 7, 10 Jesus said, "it is written". Jesus used the Bible of the time to prove Satan wrong. Not once did he compare what was true using 'agape love'. In fact, I can't think of single instance in the whole Bible where he does that. Or any disciple from that matter.

In fact when Satan took Jesus to the top of the mountain to offer him all the kingdoms of the world. if Jesus was using agape love to make his decision, Jesus would've done the act of worship to Satan to take over the world right then and save all mankind. But Jesus did do that. Is it because Jesus doesn't love the world? Of course not. But Jesus answered Satan, "For is is written;It is Lord your God you must worship." Jesus was referencing Deuteronomy 6:13 that says, "Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve, and by his name you should swear." In fact in all of Jesus' quotes in Matthew chapter 4 come from the book of Deuteronomy, which was the Mosaic Law.

So where did this 'agape love' comparison come from? It wasn't started by Jesus because Jesus used the Bible.
I kind of get where you're coming from with this.

It's not going to be too much of a stretch to say that Agape love can sometimes equal tough love - God does after all tell us to love our enemies. Does He even have any real enemies? And so we potentially see that love is even riven through the word, with respect to how His adversary should be handled. But we need to see how it is batted back from whom it was intended to be addressed to....

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