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Old 03-15-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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†. Heb 12:28 . .Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

The Greek word for "grace" in that passage is the very same word for grace in 1Cor 1:3, which reads:

"Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."

The word is charis. It means graciousness; which Webster's defines as kind, courteous, inclined to good will, generous, charitable, merciful, altruistic, compassionate, thoughtful, cordial, affable, genial, sociable, cheerful, warm, sensitive, considerate, and tactful.

In other words: Christians whose personalities fail to exemplify those qualities cannot serve God acceptably: they're irreverent, and they're ungodly; and would just as well go to a sports bar on Sunday morning instead of chafing God by coming to church.

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Old 03-15-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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I'm impressed with your memorization skills! Oh, and the magenta color-very feminine.
Thankz..almost photographic i have been told.



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Old 03-15-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Gen 6:5-8 . . Then Yhvh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually. And Yhvh was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He
was grieved in His heart.



This never ceases to amaze me--that a god who is allegedly OMNIPOTENT never saw this coming and was SHOCKED that this should happen??



So Yhvh said: I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of
the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am
sorry that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of Yhvh.


Now, this loving, caring god is so ANGRY that He is wiling to destroy EVERYTHING because humanity has absolutely done what god never saw coming?




Noah obtained the grace of God specifically because he was righteous.


Yet in all the world, supposedly ONLY Noah was righteous? How was it that Noah was able to "obtain the grace of god" and not KNOW Jesus?

If Noah could obtain the grace of god without Jesus, what was the purpose for Jesus to have existed?
Because just as Abraham would later be justified because he believed the promises of God, so too was the case with Noah and his family. Immediately after Adam had sinned and came under condemnation, God promised that a Savior would come into the world. Genesis 3:15 is in reference to that.

As for Genesis 6:5-7 God was not taken by surprise at the wickedness of men. He had always known that such would be the case. In order for infinite God to be somewhat understandable to the finite mind of man, God in communicating with man condescends to use anthropopathisms, language of accommodation, ascribing to Himself human characteristics which He does not really possess, such as hate, anger, sorrow, when explaining His policy and actions regarding sin and evil.

From Theopedia:
''Anthropomorphism, also referred to as personification or prosopopeia, is the attribution of human characteristics to inanimate objects, animals, forces of nature, and others. [1] Biblical anthropomorphism is when human characteristics are projected on God.

The Bible has examples of God referring to himself in anthropomorphic terms and the biblical writers referring to God in anthropomorphic terms -- the purpose being to describe God in terms more understandable to humans. Without anthropomorphism, since God is invisible and immaterial, we would not have a framework on which to understand Him.''

http://www.theopedia.com/anthropomorphism
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:02 AM
 
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I picked up an interesting line from an exasperated father in the final episode of Downton Abbey that goes like this:

"As my son, I love you, but I have tried, and failed, to like you."

The father who spoke that line wasn't a difficult man. He was actually a very gracious man who had it up to here with his grown son's toxic personality.

That so reminds me of a passage in the book of John: here paraphrased a bit:

"For God so loved the world, that He offered His only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be rescued through him." (John 3:16-17)

Yes, God loves His human creations; enough to even sacrifice His only son's life and limb to protect them; but I honestly believe that He has tried, and failed, to like them. For example:

"Now the Lord observed the extent of the people's wickedness, and He saw that all their thoughts were consistently and totally evil. So the Lord was sorry He had ever made them. It broke His heart. And the Lord said: I will completely wipe out this human race that I have created. Yes, and I will destroy all the animals and birds, too. I am sorry I ever made them." (Gen 6:5-7)

Bottom line: God doesn't owe humanity anything. God's offering of His only son was neither an obligation or a duty; it was a courtesy. Far from deserving kindness, humanity deserves the cold shoulder. But God, being the sensitive person that He is, willing to go the extra mile, still finds it in Himself to extend humanity an opportunity to turn itself around and give Him cause to like them instead of humanity, with its overall toxic demeanor, always making it impossible for Him to do so.

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Old 03-15-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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Grace really isn't complicated at all, salvation is simple and not complicated, but then there are 3 sections of heaven, and salvation only brings a person to standing in the court having his salvation but no reward.


As simple as grace is, claiming and obtaining reward is a race that people run very fast to win, and only one person wins a race.


Run Your Race to Win
24Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable.


Philippians 3:14
I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.



Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,




People went out in a fever taking on all sorts of persecutions and trials so that they could obtain a better resurrection because there is certainly a difference. Husbands and wives gave up houses, and lively hoods to run the race, and think of how they had given up all they had but only put a little money aside for themselves.


After they had made such a sacrifice, Paul comes in there and speaks a word and they fall down dead.


Over the years, somehow people have forgotten that this is a race and only one person wins a race, meaning that there are few who obtain a better resurrection. Salvation does not mean you get resurrected in the first resurrection, resurrection is a reward for those who have obtained it BECAUSE they knew they were running a race and they gave up their lives because they knew what the consequences were, they knew that there are 3 sections of heaven and few make it to the prize.
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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Because just as Abraham would later be justified because he believed the promises of God, so too was the case with Noah and his family. Immediately after Adam had sinned and came under condemnation, God promised that a Savior would come into the world. Genesis 3:15 is in reference to that.

As for Genesis 6:5-7 God was not taken by surprise at the wickedness of men. He had always known that such would be the case. In order for infinite God to be somewhat understandable to the finite mind of man, God in communicating with man condescends to use anthropopathisms, language of accommodation, ascribing to Himself human characteristics which He does not really possess, such as hate, anger, sorrow, when explaining His policy and actions regarding sin and evil.

From Theopedia:
''Anthropomorphism, also referred to as personification or prosopopeia, is the attribution of human characteristics to inanimate objects, animals, forces of nature, and others. [1] Biblical anthropomorphism is when human characteristics are projected on God.

The Bible has examples of God referring to himself in anthropomorphic terms and the biblical writers referring to God in anthropomorphic terms -- the purpose being to describe God in terms more understandable to humans. Without anthropomorphism, since God is invisible and immaterial, we would not have a framework on which to understand Him.''

Anthropomorphism | Theopedia
If he wasn't taken by surprise, why all the anger, angst and sorrow if he saw it coming? Beginning to read as if the scribes had NO clue what they were writing?


Which again leads the question--If that is so, what purpose did Jesus' existence have? If all we had to do was BELIEVE THE PROMISE OF GOD, why go through the whole Christ drama?
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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If he wasn't taken by surprise, why all the anger, angst and sorrow if he saw it coming? Beginning to read as if the scribes had NO clue what they were writing?
As I said, the Bible makes use of anthropopathisms. 'Anger' and 'sorrow' are anthropopathisms. Language of accommodation used to describe in human terms attributes that God doesn't really possess in order to communicate God's policy and actions against sin and evil.

God knew from eternity past that man would fall. He gave man volition. In order for volition to function God had to allow man to make choices contrary to God's desires. God also had to take action against disobedience. Long before God created anything He knew what the entire course of human history would take and what He would do with regard to that.

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Which again leads the question--If that is so, what purpose did Jesus' existence have? If all we had to do was BELIEVE THE PROMISE OF GOD, why go through the whole Christ drama?
Jesus had to go to the cross in order to pay the penalty for mankind's sins. All of the Levitical animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were types or pictures, a foreshadowing of Jesus' sacrifice when He later entered into the human race at the right time in history.

God had promised that a Savior (Christ Jesus) would come. Before Jesus came into the world historically and went to the cross, anyone who simply believed, who had faith in the promise of His coming was eternally saved.

The promise of God was that a Savior would come into the world. And that's why ''the whole Christ drama,'' to use your own words. God had promised a Savior and He had to keep that promise.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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If he wasn't taken by surprise, why all the anger, angst and sorrow if he saw it coming? Beginning to read as if the scribes had NO clue what they were writing?
Which again leads the question--If that is so, what purpose did Jesus' existence have? If all we had to do was BELIEVE THE PROMISE OF GOD, why go through the whole Christ drama?
The whole Christ drama was the result of the ignorance and superstition of our barbaric and brutal ancestors and their primitive beliefs about God. They knew not what they did.
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Old 03-15-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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†. Gen 6:9 . . Noah was a righteous man

The Hebrew word for "righteous" in that verse is tsaddiyq (tsad-deek') which means just.

Webster's provides several definitions of "just", but perhaps the ones best suited for our purpose are: conscientious, honest, honorable, right, scrupulous, true, dependable, reliable, tried, trustworthy, dispassionate, equal, equitable, impartial, nondiscriminatory, objective, unbiased, uncolored, and unprejudiced.

Gen 6:9 isn't talking about spiritual righteousness, no; it's talking about personal righteousness; viz: Noah's conduct.

In other words: Noah was a good man; the exact opposite of his neighbors, about whom the Bibles says:

"the evil of man was great in the earth, and every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time." (Gen 6:5)

"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence." (Gen 6:11)

When it comes to personal righteousness, Noah is on a par with a couple of other big names.

†. Ezek 14:14 . . Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in the land, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD

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Old 03-15-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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To put it simply, grace is God's attitude and policy concerning mankind and is based on Christ's finished redemptive work on the cross. Grace means that our eternal salvation depends entirely on God rather than on us.
But God's grace is expressed even toward the unbeliever in that by the grace of God the rain falls on both the good and the evil. By God's grace the Holy Spirit makes the gospel message understandable to the unbeliever and makes the faith of the person who believes the gospel message effective for salvation. God's grace is present in the life of the believer. Even when the believer is under divine discipline, that discipline is done in grace. And there is dying grace for the spiritually mature believer facing death so that he can have peace and confidence while dying.

The believer is exhorted to come boldly to the throne of grace so that he may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:16).





Grace depends on our actions---Jesus taught---only those living to do Gods will get to enter his Fathers kingdom( Matt 7:21)( be saved--receive grace) whatever you want to call it. The only way one can live to do Gods will is by carefully studying every utterance and applying them, as Jesus said man -MUST live by. And its 100% fact--the teachers on earth who belong Jesus teach just that.
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