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Old 03-17-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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There seems to be only two views on how to address the discrepancies found between the differing gospel accounts.

1. They are actually different events, or they are told from different perspectives. (orthodox/fundamentalist)

2. They prove that the writers were making it all up, getting their facts confused. (skeptic)

Neither of these views really makes sense. Which is why I think the truth is something like this:

3. They are intentional, and the writers were highly educated. Their purpose is to tell the reader that the stories are not factual, in case they were unable to gather that from the clues within the text themselves. There is a deeper meaning that the writer is trying to convey. If the reader is not smart enough to catch the clues, then perhaps the differences will get his attention.

What do you think of this third view?
RESPONSE:

No. That's trying to rationalize human blunders.

The gospels are not historical. They are stories written by nonwitnesses 40-70 years after the fact.

As one church historian explained:

Excerpted from A Concise History of the Catholic Church
By Father Thomas Bokenkotter, SS

"The Gospels were not meant to be a historical or biographical account of Jesus. They were written to convert unbelievers to faith in Jesus as the Messiah of God, risen and living now in his church and coming again to judge all men. Their authors did not deliberately invent or falsify facts about Jesus, but they were not primarily concerned with historical accuracy. They readily included material drawn from the Christian communities' experience of the risen Jesus. Words, for instance, were put in the mouth of Jesus and stories were told about him which, though not historical in the strict sense, nevertheless, in the minds of the evangelists, fittingly expressed the real meaning and intent of Jesus as faith had come to perceive him. For this reason, scholars have come to make a distinction between the Jesus of history and the Christ of faith."

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Old 03-17-2016, 02:35 PM
 
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What discrepancies? Just because two accounts appear to conflict with each other does not necessarily indicate a discrepancy. We must always remember, we have finite minds. We cannot expect to resolve all challenging passages or Biblical issues.
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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What discrepancies? Just because two accounts appear to conflict with each other does not necessarily indicate a discrepancy. We must always remember, we have finite minds. We cannot expect to resolve all challenging passages or Biblical issues.
Read all the gospels and tell us how many women were at the tomb. They all cannot be correct. Please no fictional stories to "explain" it. Just Bible please.
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:45 PM
 
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You know - if each gospel were the same - there would be accusations that they copied each other.

People who want to find fault, will find fault. People who choose to believe, will believe.

Have a news event covered by a newspaper in Alabama, and in Massachusetts, and in California. Will the story have the same details? Does that mean the event did not take place?
QUESTION:

Did God inspire all of three reports? If so, He seems a bit inconsistent.

Aren't you trying to compare what you probably claim are inspired writing to uninspired writing?

The fact that they are different calls into question their divine inspiration.
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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Your suggestions are not new. We've all heard these before and they've been handled by guys that are far smarter than you and me.

I think Drob has a good point -- if they were all the same they'd be accused of simply copying each other.

They were written by different authors, and they did retell the same events, with different spins on them for the reason that they wanted to emphasize certain parts. The Gospels are not simply reporting what they saw--as if they are news reporters. They are books written for a purpose of persuading their audience.
RESPONSE: And if they are different an omniscient God couldn't have inspired them.
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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What discrepancies? Just because two accounts appear to conflict with each other does not necessarily indicate a discrepancy. We must always remember, we have finite minds. We cannot expect to resolve all challenging passages or Biblical issues.
Question. Did Jesus send for and ride one animal into Jerusalem (Mark, Luke, John) or did he send for and ride two animals so he could fulfill a prophecy. (Matthew)?

And did God inspire both versions?
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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What discrepancies? Just because two accounts appear to conflict with each other does not necessarily indicate a discrepancy. We must always remember, we have finite minds. We cannot expect to resolve all challenging passages or Biblical issues.
RESPONSE: God ought to be able to inspire the same story, shouldn't He?
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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RESPONSE: God ought to be able to inspire the same story, shouldn't He?
When God does inspire people, they don't become super humans. They are still subject to the same foibles as all humans. The Bible highlights some of this with the discrepancies in it. That isn't sufficient to dismiss the accounts given as "fairy tales." There is some greater truth undergirding that witness about who early Christians saw as Jesus.

Even someone who is an avowed agnostic should be able to see Jesus at the very least as a profound teacher. I believe it was Reza Aslan, Muslim turned Christian turned Muslim, who concluded in his book, ZEALOT, that " "Jesus, the man, is every bit as compelling, charismatic, and praiseworthy as Jesus the Christ. He is, in short, someone worth believing in."
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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The only inconsistency I can find without a really good quality is how Judas died. Traditionally in suicide the person would fall on a sword. Scripture has one account of Judas falling on a sword evicerating his stomach. And in another account he hung himself in grief? What's up with that?
Please give the verses for your statement above that Judas fell on a sword and also hung himself.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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No. That's trying to rationalize human blunders.

The gospels are not historical. They are stories written by nonwitnesses 40-70 years after the fact.

As one church historian explained:

Excerpted from A Concise History of the Catholic Church
By Father Thomas Bokenkotter, SS

"The Gospels were not meant to be a historical or biographical account of Jesus. They were written to convert unbelievers to faith in Jesus as the Messiah of God, risen and living now in his church and coming again to judge all men. Their authors did not deliberately invent or falsify facts about Jesus, but they were not primarily concerned with historical accuracy. They readily included material drawn from the Christian communities' experience of the risen Jesus. Words, for instance, were put in the mouth of Jesus and stories were told about him which, though not historical in the strict sense, nevertheless, in the minds of the evangelists, fittingly expressed the real meaning and intent of Jesus as faith had come to perceive him. For this reason, scholars have come to make a distinction between the Jesus of history and the Christ of faith."
So typical of some Catholic commentaries.
The gospels were written as historical fact as was The Acts of the Apostles.
This should dispel that notion that they are not historical: https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/...historical.htm
The above link is taken from a Catholic web site.
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