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Originally Posted by BlakeJones
The problem with the bible is that it's mostly fabricated in the aftermath of the fall of Rome, and not necessarily attributable to the word of Jesus or to actual events. To be so literal and to take out passages as some sort of direct message from God is completely misleading you and no different than Islamic militants quoting the Koran to justify whatever they're doing. You would be better advised to view the bible more as a general guideline than a set of specific messages which it clearly cannot be
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You are free to believe a lie if you so choose, but be advised that this is indeed what is happening in your case.
LIE #1 Fabrication of the Bible following the fall of Rome
The Bible begins with the five books of Moses, written thousands of years before the birth of anyone recorded in the Gospels or Epistles. It was, therefore, not written following the fall of Rome. Rome did not exist when the Bible's words began to be recorded. That's lie #1
LIE #2 Dates of Rome and the Bible
According to many scholars of good repute integrity and character the books of the New Testament were written within thirty years or less of the time when they actually took place.
In 284AD, the Roman Empire was divided into two parts - east and west. The capital of the eastern Roman Empire was Byzantium, later renamed Constantinople and again renamed Istanbul. The capital of the western Roman Empire remained Rome until its fall to the Visigoths in 464AD or thereabouts. But the empire did not collapse when Rome fell. It continued as Constantinople well into and beyond the end of the Middle Ages, which began with the fall of Rome and ended with the fall of Constantinople and capture by Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II in 1453. The Muslim Empire was therefore directly responsible for the discovery of the Americas less than forty years later.
Therefore whether you clock the fall of the Roman Empire either in 464AD or 1453AD your assumption that Christian scripture was written after the fall of the Empire is entirely incorrect. That's lie #2.
LIE #3 Fabrication of the life and times of Jesus Christ.
The life, ministry, miracles death and resurrection of Jesus are matters of historic fact not fabrications.
Apart from the record of Jesus in the Bible there are numerous reports in secular history. In fact, there are more accounts of Jesus by secular historians than of Julius Caesar (a famous Roman general and emperor), who had nothing to gain by reporting unique activity in the Roman province of Judea. If the Bible account of Christ did not exist we would have the secular record of what happened and what was said. That's lie #3.
LIE #4 The Bible is no different than the Qur'an
The Bible claims to be based upon truth. Islam and the Qur'an itself are based upon lies. Islamic theologians and the Qur'an itself admit it. In fact, Islam is the ONLY religion on the planet and in all history that condones lying to benefit the religion and profit in business. Read the Muslim words if you don't believe mine;
"Believers when in a weakened stage in a non-Muslim country should forgive and be patient with People of the Book when they insult Allah and his prophet by any means. Believers should lie to People of the Book to protect their lives and their religion."
- Ibn Taymiyah "THE SWORD ON THE NECK OF THE ACCUSER OF MUHAMMAD
Anyone who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith - but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful penalty.
- Qur'an Surah 16:106
"Know this that lying is not sin by itself, but if it brings harm to you it could be ugly. However, you can lie if that will keep you from evil or if it will result in prosperity."
- Imam Al-Ghazali (Muslim theologian and philosopher)
"The principle of sanctioning lying for the cause of Islam bears grave implications in matters relating to the spread of the religion of Islam in the West. Muslim activists employ deceptive tactics in their attempts to polish Islam's image and make it more attractive to prospective converts."
- Abdullan Al-Araby (Muslim theologian, philosopher and leader)
There are 2 formal doctrines of religious deception:
taqiyya - (concealment)
A muslim may lie about what they believe, denying aspects of their faith that are offensive [to others].
[Qur'an 16:106]
kitman - (mental reservation, the telling of partial truth with intention to deceive or mislead)
"the scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation, or to refuse." - Ibn Kathir
The Bible is not the same as the Qur'an. That's lie #4
LIE #5 The Bible is fabrication
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. It was written over a period of several thousand years by approximately forty different authors all of whom were directed by the spirit of God to write the words.
Despite this disparity in culture and languages, the Bible is consistent with its own theme, which is the story of the fall and redemption of man. The entire story spans a period of about six thousand years. When you hold a copy of the Bible in your hands you are holding a real miracle. Apart from the hand of God in its creation and continuation, there is no logical reason why it should exist at all.
The Bible is NOT a work on animal or plant husbandry. It isn't a book on astronomy, tectonic plate movement, prehistoric animal development or the geological record. It doesn't claim to be at all. If you want a book on those subjects, I recommend the appropriate section in your local public or university library.
The Bible is about the fall and redemption of man, nothing less and nothing more. Archeology has proven that everything in the ancient record of the Bible is accurate regarding the times and events affecting the Hebrew people. The Bible is not a fabrication. That's lie #5
Shall I go on and on to document other lies of which the Bible has been accused, I'd be here all day long. It shouldn't be necessary for the seeker of truth, however. Study of the Bible is sufficient for seeking and knowing what God expects of all men and how men can live together in peace. Because it's precepts have been abandoned in the modern age, mankind has had to suffer in its own poisons and lies.
It's not God's fault. It's ours. It is the nature of human life in a fallen state. We hate God. All of us. Nobody wants to do the right thing. We all want to do what we think is best for us. Redemption means restoring the human nature to something that wants to live God's way. It means reestablishing a real and honest relationship with God - He who is called Adonai in the Hebrew tongue.
Jesus saves. Still does. Seek Him while you still can.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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