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I think that nails the important key. Read and study with the Spirit of God. Study hard. Pray hard. Dig hard. Do not be content to just see the words on the page. Learn as much as you can with regard to the time period and context they were written in. Go to every length possible to truly understand what God and the men of God were saying and doing, so you can truly understand what it means in your own life.
Above all else, apply God's teachings to your life.
In my opinion, the myth that the Bible is "infallible" only distracts from the TRUE goal every Christian should be striving for. It is God that is infallible and it's God you're trying to get to know. The Bible is nothing more and nothing less than a means to that end, if read for the right reasons.
It's nice to see a true exhorter... keep up the good work...
True Exhorter????????? He doesn't believe the Bible is The Inspired Word of God.
What gave you that idea? I happen to believe that the Bible most definitely IS inspired by God.
I just happen to believe that mankind has build up an endless list of false myths about the Bible.
You never did answer my questions.
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2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Please do tell, what are you implying that this passage of scripture is saying? To me, this is a nice definition of what Scripture is, how it is received, and why it is useful to us. Do you think it is saying something else? What might that be exactly?
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True Exhorter????????? He doesn't believe the Bible is The Inspired Word of God.
Yes, true exhorter.... It is apparent.
Discern what he is saying. Look for a moment at the perspective that he is sharing...(not telling you what to do, just suggesting)
It is exactly what modern religion has done with scripture...Ye shall know them by their fruits.. the powerful barometer in which to gauge the masses understanding, and the interpretations from the pulpit.
In other words, is the message producing fruit or collecting fruit flies...
I think that nails the important key. Read and study with the Spirit of God. Study hard. Pray hard. Dig hard. Do not be content to just see the words on the page. Learn as much as you can with regard to the time period and context they were written in. Go to every length possible to truly understand what God and the men of God were saying and doing, so you can truly understand what it means in your own life.
Above all else, apply God's teachings to your life.
In my opinion, the myth that the Bible is "infallible" only distracts from the TRUE goal every Christian should be striving for. It is God that is infallible and it's God you're trying to get to know. The Bible is nothing more and nothing less than a means to that end, if read for the right reasons.
Good post.
I have started studying the Levitical laws and have mentioned here a few times that IMO they are sometimes biased to their culture at the time. The adultery texts in Leviticus 20 are a dead give away as they are subjective particularly in reference to incest and intermarital relations viz brother's wife.
Ironically, unless they had sex cops on the beat, enforcing these laws would be difficult and seeing if one entered your tent at night, you were allowed to kill them w/o reprisal. I am guessing that the folk were discrete.
IMO this is why the adulteress got off with Jesus as He knew their laws were IMO not from God but from man. The Pharasites always challenged Jesus with the Levitical laws and He always turned it against them.
Now that I have said that, who else believes that the Levitical laws were subjective? Bear in mind, Gentiles were never under the Levitical laws unless they converted. IMO the 10 that God gave were enough and pretty straight forward and in essence most are found in laws of the land including adultery which may be a civil law only.
Talmudic Tradition states that a higher law was given first but that because Israel was so persistently rebellious, the lesser -- nitpickier law was instituted. Training wheels for the spiritually incompetant, if you will. That's one theory.
Also, I find it's best to avoid the notion that God gave 10 commandments to Moses. I do believe the correct number was 613 commandments. LOL.
Please do tell, what are you implying that this passage of scripture is saying? To me, this is a nice definition of what Scripture is, how it is received, and why it is useful to us. Do you think it is saying something else? What might that be exactly?
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Well lets see.....the word thoroughly
thor·ough /ˈθɜroʊ, ˈθʌroʊ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thur-oh, thuhr-oh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1.executed without negligence or omissions: a thorough search. 2.complete; perfect; utter: thorough enjoyment. 3.extremely attentive to accuracy and detail; painstaking: a thorough worker; a thorough analysis.
Painstakingly accurate or careful: thorough research.
Absolute; utter: a thorough pleasure.
Lets look at perfect now..........
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html - broken link) - Cite This Source - Share This per·fect /adj., n. ˈpɜrfɪkt; v. pərˈfɛkt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[adj., n. pur-fikt; v. per-fekt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1.conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman. 2.excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect. 3.exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes. 4.entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime. 5.accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy. 6.thorough; complete; utter: perfect strangers. 7.pure or unmixed: perfect yellow. 8.unqualified; absolute: He has perfect control over his followers. 9.expert; accomplished; proficient.
American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html - broken link) - Cite This Source - Share Thisper·fect (pûr'fĭkt) Pronunciation Key (broken link)
adj.
Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
Now I don't claim to be an English major or anything but I do think that I am smart enough to know what these two words mean.
I don't think I know that it is telling me that I need nothing else but the Holy Scriptures. Now as I have stated before either you believe the Bible is what it is or you don't.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Yea I like this verse so its inspired.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Hmmmmmm nope this verse doesn't jive with what "I" think the Spirit was truly saying so this one was translated wrong and therefore not inspired.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
So once again I state either you believe these verses or you don't.
Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
So once again I state either you believe these verses or you don't.
So what I believe you're telling me: You are saying that Paul's intention in this passage is that the scriptural record is complete, finished and closed to all further additions. Am I understanding your interpretation of this Scripture correctly?
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