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Old 02-24-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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The Greek word for temporal is πρόσκαιρος - proskairos and refers to things that are temporary, transitory, lasting only for a time. This is in contrast with things which are permanent, eternal. Irenaeus stated that the belief of the church (his words don't imply a minority of believers) during his time (before the time of Augustine), is that the punishment is not temporal, but is eternal.
There is no such thing as "eternal punishment."
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Old 02-24-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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The OP made a false statement which I addressed. He said, ''Until the time of Augustine most Christians believed in the salvation of everyone.'' Irenaeus refutes that statement and says that the belief of the church 'of his time' was handed down by the apostles. You may not have any regard for the teaching of the apostles, but I do. And now I will leave this thread for you people to argue Universalism versus eternal punishment.
Mike, are you implying that the 12 apostles taught eternal torment? How do we even know what all the 12 Apostles taught since most of them have barely a mention in the New Testament.
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Old 02-24-2017, 04:07 PM
 
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Old 02-24-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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I thought it was obvious, in the context of what he said, that he meant UR.
It was self-evident.
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Old 02-24-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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Mike, are you implying that the 12 apostles taught eternal torment? How do we even know what all the 12 Apostles taught since most of them have barely a mention in the New Testament.
The writers of the New Testament taught it. Paul taught it. John taught it. Matthew taught it. Matthew quotes Jesus as having taught it. Since the apostles were taught by Jesus it makes sense that they all believed in eternal punishment.
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Old 02-24-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Can you see the possibility of Bin Laden or Hitler realizing how bad for themselves ideas, attitudes and actions were?
It's too late for them now, it's game over and they're toast!
We have to repent before we die, there's no second chance..
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Old 02-24-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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It's too late for them now, it's game over and they're toast!
We have to repent before we die, there's no second chance..
"They're toast", smiley face?

You're a poster child for how believing in Eternal Torment hardens one's heart.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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The writers of the New Testament taught it. Paul taught it. John taught it. Matthew taught it. Matthew quotes Jesus as having taught it. Since the apostles were taught by Jesus it makes sense that they all believed in eternal punishment.
No, they didn't. And neither did Jesus, contrary to Christianisms desire to say otherwise.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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Oh, I found the hottest T-Shirt! Who of you would wear this?
That would be false advertisement.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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That would be false advertisement.
It would, yes. I've seen similar billboards. Some people REALLY DIG the ET doctrine. I mean by that, that is it a very key part of their faith. That is why they ask questions like: "If there's no hell, why not just do whatever you want to?" That question tells me so much about a person.

I just now noticed that the shirt is sold by WRY TOAST DESIGNS on ETSY. Hahaha!
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