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Old 03-10-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Mar_9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
Mar_9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
Mar_9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

Are you your hand? Are you your eye? Are you your foot?
Can you grasp YOU to cut it?
Does hand or foot or eye have mind of its own? Or, any other body part that can be removed or mutilated? As, apparently THAT part is devil's seed, causing innocent YOU to sin?
Do you even understand, how ridiculous this is? So sure, keep cutting until all that is left is something where YOu resides. Possibly from that on preserved in a jar on some sort of nutrition. Still "alive". Still thinking. With all the thoughts about food, money, women, sex, power, possessions, vanity....
Cut YOU - as YOU are the sin.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Valium is what you describe OP. One big valium dose for billions of people. One huge consolation to their fear of death. Humanity been kept on a religious hope of better afterlife for centuries, like a dog on a long leash. Like a donkey with carrot in front of its face. So it keeps running and running towards a goal that can never be reached. While organized religion swells in power and riches. While politicians use it as pretext to manipulate crazed crowds into any action they want to.
Why none of them say - NOW! In this Life! Do this - and you ARE in the kingdom of god NOW!
Why not? What good is it then, deceiving humble and gullible for centuries? Always promising bright over yonder, but never bright here and now?

Repent Ye - and the kingdom of god is at hand!
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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None of those views in the OP represents the truth.

The Calvinist view is the closest, but it is not true that there is nothing we can do. The opportunity is there for all to come to Christ through faith in the gospel of Christ, His death and His resurrection.
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:45 PM
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Location: The Haunted Mansion
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None of those views in the OP represents the truth.

The Calvinist view is the closest, but it is not true that there is nothing we can do. The opportunity is there for all to come to Christ through faith in the gospel of Christ, His death and His resurrection.
Interesting how the OP puts the worst possible spin on those versions he disagrees with.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Interesting how the OP puts the worst possible spin on those versions he disagrees with.
You mean like how so many seek to characterize UR as a "no consequences free ticket to Heaven?
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:13 PM
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You mean like how so many seek to characterize UR as a "no consequences free ticket to Heaven?
That sounds more like the description given for "easy believism". Nevertheless, if the OP wants to discuss the 3 beliefs, he's going about it the wrong way. That's not Rodger's way though.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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The Arminian belief is the only one which is the gospel of Christ which Jesus the redeemer taught , as it is the great commission of soul of heaven , the other beliefs are condemnation of the Calvinist were the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is not worthy to save any one ..... And then the Universal belief is for people who like to sin and devalues the sacrifice of Jesus , and have itchy ears to the none truth which is easy as faith in God is hard .....
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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None of those views in the OP represents the truth.

The Calvinist view is the closest, but it is not true that there is nothing we can do. The opportunity is there for all to come to Christ through faith in the gospel of Christ, His death and His resurrection.
No, it's not the closest view, reconciliation would be.
But you would have to take-off the blinders to see it.


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Old 03-10-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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..... And then the Universal belief is for people who like to sin and devalues the sacrifice of Jesus , and have itchy ears to the none truth which is easy as faith in God is hard .....
You do not understand Universalist believers at all.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:47 PM
 
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ARMINIAN BELIEF VERSUS CALVINIST BELIEF VERSUS UNIVERSAL SALVATION BELIEF

ARMINIAN BELIEF - It's as if God says
“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my Son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my Son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will either annihilate you, or sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment.”
Christ's apparent mission: To save from annihilation or eternal torment only those who are lucky enough to hear about Jesus before they die, and also have enough good sense to properly cooperate with Him before they die.

CALVINIST BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Since there is nothing you can do about it because you are totally depraved and you are not one of the elect, it is obvious that I created most of you for the purpose of either annihilating you or letting you suffer eternal torment. However, I am going to unconditionally choose a few of you to go to heaven where you will be happy forever."
Christ's apparent mission: To let everyone be annihilated, or suffer eternal torment except the unconditionally elected few that He rescues by His irresistible grace.

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION BELIEF (mine) – God says
“Sooner or later, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, I am going to save all of you from everything from which you need to be saved, including your stubborn will.”
Christ's scriptural mission: 'And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world' (1John 4:14).
I worship a Jesus Who will be completely successful in accomplishing the reason why His Father sent Him.
Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world (Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"

THE AGES COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN END WITH EVERYONE SAVED
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
Salvation applies to all of us or it doesn't exist. God is no respecter of persons. Jesus is the Savior of the entire world. Salvation is NOT an offer. It is an accomplished fact. It is FINISHED!
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