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Old 04-02-2016, 06:42 PM
 
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Is that inclusive of Dallas Seminary or those who support the eternal probation department of pain and suffering?




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Old 04-03-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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Evil will be eliminated, saving the man himself.
Yes, evil will be eliminated because as Psalm 92:7 says the wicked will be: destroyed forever ( annihilated )

It is ' righteous mankind ' who will be saved ( rescued /delivered ) - Matthew 25:31-33,37

We all are given the choice to ' repent ' or 'perish ' ( be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9
' everlasting life ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) - John 3:16
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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Yes, evil will be eliminated because as Psalm 92:7 says the wicked will be: destroyed forever ( annihilated )

It is ' righteous mankind ' who will be saved ( rescued /delivered ) - Matthew 25:31-33,37

We all are given the choice to ' repent ' or 'perish ' ( be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9
' everlasting life ' or ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) - John 3:16
Your concepts are preconceived from what you have been taught.
Or, from what you, yourself, have come to believe?

Those that are lost will be found!
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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The early church Fathers, for whom the Greek language of the Bible was their native tongue, were largely universalist . Many believed that so great was Gods power and forgiveness that even Satan will be restored in the end . Punishment will be based on how much correction a person needs after death .

The concept of eternal torment gained power after the church power shifted to the West in Rome, and the non Greeks who didn't understand Greek fluently and studied in Latin , like Augustine and Tertullian, became the chief apologists .
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Old 04-03-2016, 09:20 PM
 
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Well, Wallflash, you're just full of surprises, aren't you?
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Old 04-04-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Well, Wallflash, you're just full of surprises, aren't you?


I have read extensively on the EO , and had an EO priest friend I used to talk with . I find their perception of Christ and his mission on Earth to be much more mature and deep than the Protestants I am familiar with , as well as Catholicism. They have a much more mystical understanding of God and Christ than the RCC and Protestants , at least at their more intellectual levels. They have a backwoods superstition segment like the Catholics and seeing Jesus in tortillas , but overall their theology is sound and reflects a more loving and compassionate God .

Contrary to appearance , I am not a God hating militant atheist. Just a guy that doesn't accept some of the things religion and religionists claim .

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Old 04-04-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Contrary to appearance , I am not a God hating militant atheist. Just a guy that doesn't accept some of the things religion and religionists claim .

Yes, well believe it or not, we have that in common. Peace
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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Yes, well believe it or not, we have that in common. Peace


I believe it . You appear to be a guy going his own way . I would be interested in hearing about your beliefs and how you came about them sometime .
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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The early church Fathers, for whom the Greek language of the Bible was their native tongue, were largely universalist . Many believed that so great was Gods power and forgiveness that even Satan will be restored in the end . Punishment will be based on how much correction a person needs after death .

The concept of eternal torment gained power after the church power shifted to the West in Rome, and the non Greeks who didn't understand Greek fluently and studied in Latin , like Augustine and Tertullian, became the chief apologists .
I was working for a guy a couple of years back. One lunchtime, he had his Bible out on the desk at work - I thought, 'very bold, not many people do that'. I got talking to him about his faith, etc. He was an elder in a church. We read through Matthew together on a Friday lunchtime. .... It wasnt long after I'd become a more hard-line universalist, lol. When we got to Matthew 5, I said 'of course, all this nice stuff happens to meek and pure in heart people - Jesus is not telling people the ABC's of salvation - he's obviously talking to the crowd - everyone who is there'. My friend said, 'he's talking to the disciples.' ...it wasn't much later in the conversation where he asked me if I believe Satan will repent. I said yes, eventually. He said, 'that is the logical conclusion of universalism'. Which I thought was very astute of him. Hopefully he'll have turned from the ET nonsense by now, after all, what is the point in loving your enemies if you're going to make them suffer interminably.
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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I believe it . You appear to be a guy going his own way . I would be interested in hearing about your beliefs and how you came about them sometime .

That I am. Anytime, Wallflash, anytime.....
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