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Old 06-21-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Literally (not interpretively) translated Bibles do not teach eternal separation from God.
Neither do literally translated Bibles teach eternal torment or even annihilation.
But instead literally translated Bible teach universal salvation from everything from which we need to be saved including our stubborn wills.
Bible Translations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment
Bible Translations That Do Not Teach Eternal Torment

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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I finally had time to watch those youtubes...Gary Amirault from Tentmakers
makes more sense to me.

I had never heard of Larry Abbott..he also made sense and has studied quite a bit...
(I mean the diff translation of words, etc.).
I, on the other hand, have studied little by comparison.
And yet, God has shown me only that He is a bundle of Pure Love
as innocent and sweet as a baby and puppy breath.


(Sure, I believed in all the other stuff growing up, just to give you background...
then I was shown...not by others...)
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:33 PM
 
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This is a prime example of heterodox cherry picking sources to support assumptions/presuppositions.
Checkout the - orthodox - universalism majority in the early church (and a hope for universalism majority in the present day church):

https://www.christianforums.com/thre...times.8042013/

Indeed Very Many: Universalism in the Early Church


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Originally Posted by Der Alter, post: 72940626, member: 11484
If you think BDAG is wrong you will have to prove it
If you think the Bible & the early church & the modern church are all wrong, you will have to prove it.

If you think Love Omnipotent's love is finite & expires like a carton of milk so He can torture most of His creatures called human beings in fire with immortal worms eating them alive for endless trillions X trillions X trillions of eons, forever and ever and ever, you will have to prove it.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post Godís plan for the ages of time

A snippet from
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
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Old 07-24-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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A snippet from
GODíS PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be ďthe god of this eonĒ (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GODíS PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, Godís purpose of the eons.


https://godsplanforall.com/
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Exclamation NOTHING gives me greater pleasure

NOTHING gives me greater pleasure than to guide people to
the reasons why I see an infinitely different God in the Bible
than the one I was taught in the several different eternal punishment churches
I attended during years gone by and in the Bible school from which I graduated.
Iím 79 years old.
CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin
CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
TLC - Download File, "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:54 PM
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Where does it say spiritual Israel in there?...


It didn't have to. All who know the NT is real know Israel is cut off. Do you see them praising Jesus name soon? I don't. Revelation is nearing this systems conclusion. Spiritual Israel is standing.
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post Does Scripture Teach Universal Salvation? - Yes it does

Does Scripture Teach Universal Salvation? - Yes it does

Understanding Universal Salvation Part One
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Old Today, 12:13 PM
 
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Post Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it

Granted there are things God cannot do.
For instance, God cannot lie; but He doesn’t want to lie.
However, He DOES want to save ALL mankind.
Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.

SEQUENTIAL LOGIC - Kenneth Larsen
Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. “All that Yahweh delights He does,
In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6.
See Matt. 19:25, 26.
Does God wish all to be saved? Yes. “Who will have all men to be saved
and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim. 2:4. See Acts 4:12.
Therefore, it is apparent that God is able to save what was lost, and
since He desires to save all that was lost, He has promised to do just
that. Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28.

Faith in God’s promises,
And an acquaintance with His character and power,
KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
http://www.godfire.net/eby/godislove.html

and sequential logic,

and THE HISTORY OF THE EARLY CHURCH
Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!
all support universal reconciliation.

Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.

THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT
The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment
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Old Today, 01:15 PM
 
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Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.

It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.

And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subjectís response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.

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