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Old 04-28-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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No. Please research what Jesus taught about faith and salvation, don't just blindly believe everything they tell you at Tentmaker.Com
This isn't about Tentmaker.com so why bring that up?

Maybe it is you who should start believing Jesus:

Joh_4:42 Besides, to the woman they said that "No longer because of your speaking are we believing, for we ourselves have heard Him, and we are aware that this truly is the Saviour of the world, the Christ."

1Jn_4:14 And we have gazed upon Him, and are testifying that the Father has dispatched the Son, the Saviour of the world."

1Jn 2:2 And He is the propitiatory shelter concerned with our sins, yet not concerned with ours only, but concerned with the whole world also."

A propitiatory shelter is a covering for sins. So Christ not only covered our sins but the sins of the whole world also.

Joh_1:29 On the morrow he is observing Jesus coming toward him, and is saying, "Lo! the Lamb of God Which is taking away the sin of the world!"
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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According to believers in eternal torment , God doesn't get his way .

And so is he still God, if he doesn't get his way on such an important issue ?
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Same to you.

Feel free to believe anything you want.

Have a nice day.
Obviously you are believing anything you want. You are as entrenched in your misunderstanding as the Pharisees and Sadducees.
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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The freeing of a slave in the 1860's is in no way equivalent to a slave or group of people being freed under the Hebrew system. They are totally different.

And obviously the animal being freed from being sacrificed due to being ransomed is a perfect illustration of ransom since it is in the Bible for our instruction as to what occurs to that animal upon being ransomed. It is freed.

Likewise, a Hebrew slave who was ransomed by a relative had to be freed once the ransom was made. IF the slave was married to the woman provided by the slave holder, that woman legally belonged to the slave holder and so did the children under the Hebrew law. So if the slave loved the woman and children and didn't want to be ransomed he would remain a slave to stay with the family. But if he was ransomed he had to leave all that behind. These are the facts. After the ransom there was no choosing to accept or reject. And since the ransom is already made for all mankind, all mankind must therefore be freed from slavery to sin and death and be freed into God's salvation.
Could you tell Freak80 and TroutDude that they have no choice? Please tell them they must worship the Lord.
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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According to believers in eternal torment , God doesn't get his way .

And so is he still God, if he doesn't get his way on such an important issue ?
Yea, according to Fin's theology, God is trying to get as many saved as He can and Satan is trying to get as many damned as he can. So Satan gets his billions and God a measly few. Poor God. He's trying as hard as He can but just can't win against Satan.
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Could you tell Freak80 and TroutDude that they have no choice? Please tell them they must worship the Lord.
I already have. But not in the words you have chosen above. Anyone who is saved does not have a choice. Remember, we are not saved by our wills but by God's will. Do you believe that verse?

Freak80 and TroutDude were ransomed. They will be set free from sin and death and freed into God's salvation. Would you personally feel you HAD TO WORSHIP THE LORD BASED ON THAT IN YOUR OWN LIFE? Or do you personally just want to worship God and be thankful for all He did to save you? Please be honest.
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:01 AM
 
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Ignoring Jesus, is proving He is not your Lord. Matthew 7;21,22,23,
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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Obviously you are believing anything you want. You are as entrenched in your misunderstanding as the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Wrong again. I believe in Christ, Pharisees did not. They had Him killed.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life"

And the same message is repeated, and repeated, and repeated......

Anyone who does not understand it, is in denial, or is willfully rejecting the truth.
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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Yea, according to Fin's theology, God is trying to get as many saved as He can and Satan is trying to get as many damned as he can. So Satan gets his billions and God a measly few. Poor God. He's trying as hard as He can but just can't win against Satan.
Feel free to mock God and me all day long.
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Old 04-28-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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Ignoring Jesus, is proving He is not your Lord. Matthew 7;21,22,23,
Under the paradigm of God saving all as He assured us He will save all, let us look at the verses you referenced above:

Matthew 7:21-23 everysaying to Me 'Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he
who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens. (22) will be declaring to Me in that day, 'Lord!
Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do
many powerdeed (23) then shall I be avowing to them that 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers
of lawlessness!'

First of all, by "kingdom of the heavens" Jesus was not talking about Jews GOING to heaven. The kingdom of the heavens is the kingdom Christ will set up in Israel during His millennial reign in the future. The Israelites, both good and bad will be resurrected according to Daniel:

Dan_12:2 From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach for eonian repulsion."

The ones who get eonian repulsion which is a repulsion pertaining to that coming eon/age will be kicked out of that kingdom and have to live among the goat nations.

Also notice Jesus does not say "I will never know you."

Since "God will have all mankind to be saved because Christ ransomed all mankind" (see 1 Tim.2:4-6) we can be assured that Matthew 7:21-23 will not undo God eventually saving all.
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