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Old 05-09-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Being the Savior of all mankind, is DIFFERENT from all being saved.


The acts that He did are applicable to all mankind. He did them once, and He is done. But those actions, in themselves, did not change a single person's eternal status - until that person is born again through faith.

If I buy dinner for my family, and my youngest son turns up his nose and says he doesn't want to eat it... does that change the fact that I bought dinner for the whole family? No. If my entire family chose not to eat it - my claim is still the same.

1 John 5 says we have to have the Son to have the life. We do not have the Son solely because Christ died and was resurrected. We have the Son when we have the Holy Spirit. And we get the Holy Spirit when we are born again through faith.

Just face it DRob4JC, you really don't believe God or Jesus when it comes to this matter. God says He is the Saviour of all mankind. You say He isn't. You say His death just has the potential to save a person. God says Christ's death and ransom will save all mankind.

You, by your theology believe Adam is greater in Christ. Adam's one act made all mankind sinners according to Romans 5:18,19. Christ's one act doesn't do diddly squat.

By the way, A Saviour is One Who saves, not just offers salvation.

Your buying dinner in no way is equivalent to what Christ accomplished through His death, burial and resurrection. You are merely an unbeliever in Christian garb.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Being the Savior of all mankind, is DIFFERENT from all being saved.
Let's try this one: Jesus descending from heaven is DIFFERENT from Jesus inhabiting heaven according to Rob.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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Let's try this one: Jesus descending from heaven is DIFFERENT from Jesus inhabiting heaven according to Rob.
Drob like all fundamentalists has no faith in the ability of God to do and more to the point BE what he actually his.
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Old 05-11-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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Being the Savior of all mankind, is DIFFERENT from all being saved.
A Saviour is One Who saves, not One Who just offers salvation.
If He saves just a few, then He is not the Saviour of all mankind. He is only the Saviour of a few.

A fireman who rushes into a burning building and saves one family member out of 12 members is in no way the saviour of that family. He is only the saviour of one.
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Old 05-12-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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Ephesians 3:14-15 On this behalf am I bowing my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(15) after Whom every kindred in the heavens and on earth is being named,

Every kindred in the heavens and every kindred on earth is being name after the Father. What part of "every" do you not understand?
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Ephesians 3:14-15 On this behalf am I bowing my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
(15) after Whom every kindred in the heavens and on earth is being named,

Every kindred in the heavens and every kindred on earth is being named after the Father. What part of "every" do you not understand?

Yes, every kindred in the heavens and every kindred on the earth is being named after the Father. This further proves Colossians 1:20 and Ephesians 1:9,10 to be true in all its glory, not to mention 1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10,11; 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 etc.
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Old 05-12-2016, 07:37 PM
 
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Being the Savior of all mankind, is DIFFERENT from all being saved.
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Just face it DRob4JC, you really don't believe God or Jesus when it comes to this matter. God says He is the Saviour of all mankind. You say He isn't. You say His death just has the potential to save a person. God says Christ's death and ransom will save all mankind.
You, by your theology believe Adam is greater in Christ. Adam's one act made all mankind sinners according to Romans 5:18,19. Christ's one act doesn't do diddly squat.
By the way, A Saviour is One Who saves, not just offers salvation.
Your buying dinner in no way is equivalent to what Christ accomplished through His death, burial and resurrection. You are merely an unbeliever in Christian garb.
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A Saviour is One Who saves, not One Who just offers salvation.
If He saves just a few, then He is not the Saviour of all mankind. He is only the Saviour of a few.
A fireman who rushes into a burning building and saves one family member out of 12 members is in no way the saviour of that family. He is only the saviour of one.

Amen, Eusebius. Preach it, brother. You cannot say it enough to those who have been misled. Those who think God only OFFERED salvation are misled by the "precepts and doctrines of men" which are indistinguishable from the "doctrines of demons." Saviours do not ask if you want to be saved.
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Drob like all fundamentalists has no faith in the ability of God to do and more to the point BE what he actually his.
Amen!
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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What I find so interesting is that some who call themselves "Christian" do the very opposite of what God tells them to do and they actually think they are doing God a service in so doing.

Case in point:

We are told to charge and teach that "God will have all mankind to be saved because Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim.2:4-6) and "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially them that believe. These things charge and teach" (1 Tim.4:10,11).

1 Timothy 4:10-11 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, (11) especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.


Yet these "Christians" tell us "God will NOT have all mankind to be saved even if Christ ransomed all mankind."
And they tell us "God is NOT the Saviour of all mankind, just the believer."

They come up with all kinds of excuses to be disobedient to God and the Lord Jesus Christ. They will even go so far as to quote Scripture to say God is wrong about saving all.

Or they will quote a translation that says "God desires to save all mankind" but He won't be able to do it.

Or they will say mankind have a free will and so their will is greater than God's thus making man's will stronger than God's.

They will come up with all sorts of gymnastics in order for God not to attain His goal for humanity. But those verses are so plain. But what is hard is they fly in the face of what they've been taught their so-called "Christian" life.
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Old 05-19-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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So it is okay for some of you who go by the name of "Christian" to be disobedient to God concerning 1 Timothy 4:10,11?
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Old 05-19-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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So it is okay for some of you who go by the name of "Christian" to be disobedient to God concerning 1 Timothy 4:10,11?
Matthew 22:14

So are you okay with denying God of His justice?
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