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Old 08-13-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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It is sad that so many ET believers are closed off to the possibility that God is not as they have imagined (or been taught to imagine) God to be.
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post God’s plan for the ages of time

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It is sad that so many ET believers are closed off to the possibility that God is not as they have imagined (or been taught to imagine) God to be.
Having read several books against the Bible teaching universal salvation it is my observation that the authors were unable to believe in God’s plan for the ages of time as revealed in a literally (not interpretively) translated Bible.

THE AGES COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN END WITH EVERYONE SAVED
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.




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Old 08-14-2016, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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NOTHING gives me greater pleasure than to guide people to
the reasons why I see an infinitely different God in the Bible than the one I was taught
in the several different eternal punishment churches...
I know, right?
Your Heavenly Father, I imagine, is very pleased about this.
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Old 08-16-2016, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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I know, right?
Your Heavenly Father, I imagine, is very pleased about this.
Miss Hepburn, this article has and is helping many people.

ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST
absolute assurance in jesus christ
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Old 08-16-2016, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I'm question why reasoning that debunks ET hasn't debunked the bible as a whole. IMO, it is wishful thinking to believe in an loving God when the OT is the basis for this God.
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Old 08-16-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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I'm question why reasoning that debunks ET hasn't debunked the bible as a whole. IMO, it is wishful thinking to believe in an loving God when the OT is the basis for this God.
I'm not sure I have the time to do this question justice.

1. It is possible to make a case against ET based on the bible, even if you believe the bible is inerrant. That's how it worked for me*, and I know that there are many who hold to the bible being inerrant who believe in Universal Reconciliation.

2. For some people it does debunk the bible ... just go to any atheist forum, and you'll see that it has done that for many (yourself included, I think). I think this happens mostly to those of us who have held an all-or-nothing view of the bible.

3. For others who do NOT see the bible as inerrant, or infallible, it is not such a big deal. They either take the good and leave the bad, or they read it more figuratively, and/or they see the bible as more of a progression of thought, through one nation's history, about God.




*Other things than the ET question broke the hold the bible as "God's infallible Word" had over me.
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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I'm not sure I have the time to do this question justice.

1. It is possible to make a case against ET based on the bible, even if you believe the bible is inerrant. That's how it worked for me*, and I know that there are many who hold to the bible being inerrant who believe in Universal Reconciliation.

2. For some people it does debunk the bible ... just go to any atheist forum, and you'll see that it has done that for many (yourself included, I think). I think this happens mostly to those of us who have held an all-or-nothing view of the bible.

3. For others who do NOT see the bible as inerrant, or infallible, it is not such a big deal. They either take the good and leave the bad, or they read it more figuratively, and/or they see the bible as more of a progression of thought, through one nation's history, about God.




*Other things than the ET question broke the hold the bible as "God's infallible Word" had over me.
Sounds like you're ahead of me on the same road.
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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Sounds like you're ahead of me on the same road.
Nah, not ahead of you; maybe just longer. To quote a teenybopper musical, "We're all in this together", as I see it.
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Old 09-25-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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Post Arminian vs Calvinist vs Universal Salvation

ARMINIAN BELIEF VERSUS CALVINIST BELIEF VERSUS UNIVERSAL SALVATION BELIEF

ARMINIAN BELIEF - It's as if God says
“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my Son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my Son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will either annihilate you, or sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment.”

Christ's apparent mission: To save from annihilation or eternal torment only those who are lucky enough to hear about Jesus before they die, and also have enough good sense to properly cooperate with Him before they die.

CALVINIST BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Since there is nothing you can do about it because you are totally depraved and you are not one of the elect, it is obvious that I created most of you for the purpose of either annihilating you or letting you suffer eternal torment. However, I am going to unconditionally choose a few of you to go to heaven where you will be happy forever."

Christ's apparent mission: To let everyone be annihilated, or suffer eternal torment except the unconditionally elected few that He rescues by His irresistible grace.

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION BELIEF (mine) – God says
“Sooner or later, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, I am going to save all of you from everything from which you needto be saved, including your stubborn will.”

Christ's scriptural mission: 'And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world' (1John 4:14).

I worship a Jesus Who will be completely successful in accomplishing the reason why His Father sent Him.

Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world(Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"

THE AGES COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN END WITH EVERYONE SAVED

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html

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Old 09-25-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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ARMINIAN BELIEF VERSUS CALVINIST BELIEF VERSUS UNIVERSAL SALVATION BELIEF

ARMINIAN BELIEF - It's as if God says
“Unless you are lucky enough to find out about my Son during this lifetime, and even if you are that lucky, if you don’t have the good sense to cooperate with my Son properly before you die, then I am going to raise you from the dead and I will either annihilate you, or sustain you alive in an inescapable state of eternal torment.”

Christ's apparent mission: To save from annihilation or eternal torment only those who are lucky enough to hear about Jesus before they die, and also have enough good sense to properly cooperate with Him before they die.

CALVINIST BELIEF - It's as if God says
"Since there is nothing you can do about it because you are totally depraved and you are not one of the elect, it is obvious that I created most of you for the purpose of either annihilating you or letting you suffer eternal torment. However, I am going to unconditionally choose a few of you to go to heaven where you will be happy forever."

Christ's apparent mission: To let everyone be annihilated, or suffer eternal torment except the unconditionally elected few that He rescues by His irresistible grace.

UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION BELIEF (mine) – God says
“Sooner or later, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, I am going to save all of you from everything from which you needto be saved, including your stubborn will.”

Christ's scriptural mission: 'And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world' (1John 4:14).

I worship a Jesus Who will be completely successful in accomplishing the reason why His Father sent Him.

Christ was prophesied to take away the sin of the world (Jn. 1:29), so how then can a sinless world suffer everlasting punishment?! How absurd! Christ is the Saviour of the world(Jn. 4:42; 1Jn. 4:14), and He will save it!"

THE AGES COLLECTIVELY COME TO AN END WITH EVERYONE SAVED

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
http://www.saviourofall.org/Tracts/Eons2.html
His Father sent him to the lost sheep of Israel...Period...
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