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Old 09-26-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Eternal separation = eternal torment. "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"
Is this your view, Finn? IF so, you have a problem. You do NOT know God (based on what you think He is like) and you do not obey Christ's "Good News" Gospel because the only thing He asked us to obey were the two commands to love God and each other. Your "Bad News" Gospel and "easy believism" are nowhere to be found as commands to obey.
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There is no way you know God believing this, according to your own beliefs i guess eternal torment awaits you.
That is not for us to decide or know, pcamps, but it doesn't look good.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:29 PM
 
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Exclamation It is absurd to say that Jesus would not be doing it !!!

Will Jesus Torture Billions Forever?

It is absurd to say that Jesus would not be doing it !!!
https://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT!!!
The what???...
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT!!!
You really have no idea, do you?....
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:45 PM
 
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Post Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it

Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
It is true that there are things that God cannot do.
For example God cannot lie.
But He DOES want to save ALL mankind.

SEQUENTIAL LOGIC - Kenneth Larsen
Can God do anything He wishes? Yes. “All that Yahweh delights He does,
In the heavens and on earth, In the seas and every abyss” Ps. 135:6.
See Matt. 19:25, 26.
Does God wish all to be saved? Yes. “Who will have all men to be saved
and to come to the knowledge of the truth” 1 Tim. 2:4. See Acts 4:12.
Therefore, it is apparent that God is able to save what was lost, and
since He desires to save all that was lost, He has promised to do just
that. Phil. 2:9-11; Col. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:20-28.

Faith in God’s promises,
And an acquaintance with His character and power,
KNOWING THE REAL JESUS
God is Love: God Is Love! *The Power of God's Love;*Love Your Enemies! Knowing The Real Jesus
https://www.godfire.net/eby/godislove.html

and sequential logic,

and THE HISTORY OF THE EARLY CHURCH
Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years
(And they were reading the Bible in its original language!)
all support universal reconciliation.
Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:45 PM
 
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Will Jesus Torture Billions Forever?
It is absurd to say that Jesus would not be doing it !!!
https://www.godfire.net/eby/circularity.html
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THE GOSPEL OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT!!!
Amen! It is preposterous as rodger's post reveals for all who think and understand God who IS agape love.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:58 PM
 
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i always suspected our translation as "eternal" the way we hear it was flawed.
The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion), eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Neither, will you find the term aidios timorion or eternal torment. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) or torment beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (αἰώνιον - a period of time, as in an age) kalasin (Κόλασιν - punishment, chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or correction.
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Old 09-26-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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You really have no idea, do you?....
Did you lose your sense of humor, Richard?
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Old 09-26-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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Did you lose your sense of humor, Richard?
Eh?...
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:52 AM
 
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Post the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished

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The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion), eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Neither, will you find the term aidios timorion or eternal torment. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) or torment beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (αἰώνιον - a period of time, as in an age) kalasin (Κόλασιν - punishment, chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or correction.

Dr. Edwin Abbott, headmaster of the City of London School, wrote in his Cambridge Sermons -
QUOTE: "An argument was introduced by Augustine, and since his day incessantly repeated, that if aionios kolasis does not mean "endless punishment," then there is no security for the believer that aionios zoe means "endless life," and that he will enjoy the promise of endless happiness. But Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons, as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (which must refer to the lake of fire, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). That is, the last, the final one in order. How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer: "For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive." Death is destroyed when ALL have been made alive, IN CHRIST."
-- Dr. Edwin Abbott
Note Godís wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive
GODíS PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be ďthe god of this eonĒ (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
GODíS PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
Universalism:
The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!
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