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Old 09-27-2016, 03:10 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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I was involved in a lengthy debate on another forum.
They finally blocked me from access with the comment "not interested" after I posted the following.

NOTHING gives me greater pleasure than to guide people to the reasons why I see an infinitely different God in the Bible than the one I was taught in the several different eternal punishment churches I attended during years gone by and in the Bible school from which I graduated. I’m 77 years old.

CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin

CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
TLC - Download File, "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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You really have no idea, do you?....
No, he does not, but that won't stop him, or mystic or pcamps from distorting the views of other people, or from proclaiming who knows God and who does not.
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Just what is this Gospel that one must obey?....
In a nutshell: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations"

Accepting the invitation, the free gift of salvation, is the first thing to do in "obeying the Gospel". Everything else follows from there, including the desire to follow it in other ways.

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Old 09-27-2016, 05:29 AM
 
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In a nutshell: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
In a nutshell...Ya know, it's okay to say, "I really don't know."...
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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In a nutshell...Ya know, it's okay to say, "I really don't know."...
What's stopping you?
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:50 AM
 
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What's stopping you?
Heh-heh...Yea, okay...
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Old 09-27-2016, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post Eventually everyone will be saved

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In a nutshell: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations"

Accepting the invitation, the free gift of salvation, is the first thing to do in "obeying the Gospel". Everything else follows from there, including the desire to follow it in other ways.
The death and resurrection of Jesus guarantees the eventual salvation of everyone.
ELECTION
Eventually everyone will be saved.
Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement.
"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God `is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the `all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer – God.
My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
`To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' " - E.G.Jones

REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/allinall.html

At the present time salvation is enjoyed only by those who believe; the balance of mankind will be saved at the consummation. A savior is one who actually saves. God is the savior of all mankind, not just the ‘potential’ savior. When the truth concerning the eons displaces the error about eternity, judgment and grace are seen to work harmoniously together till each reaches its predestined goal. All the threats of punishment to follow the judgment of the wicked can be accepted at their full, dreadful value without doing violence to our innate sense of justice, and without denying the predictions of a final victory of grace.
Don Bast

THE GOSPEL OF GRACE – CHARLES W. WELLER
“Love conquers all, for it is the love of God that allows humanity to see its frailty that in the bitter dregs it may choose life. I thank the Lord that the plan of redemption wasn’t a stop gap measure but a well thought out plan that in the fullness of time, all will have Christ as their head. Victory in Jesus!
Before creation there was no time. Since creation there has been time. But with the consummation of things and God becoming All in all, time will end, and sin, which is limited by time shall end. Yet, God and creation shall go on.
If God cannot surmount the evil in the world and turn it all into good, then there is a power equal and opposite to Him. But sin isn’t eternal. The cross of Calvary isn’t a ‘hope so’ move by God, but rather, a well conceived thought out solution to the problem of sin. There is an end to sin and to the death it causes. All shall be swallowed up into victory. Some, God has planned to accept Him now. Others, like Pharaoh, He hardens their heart. But being a righteous Judge He will show wrath on those who need it to cleanse them of their fallen nature.
The plan of God is such that His grace, that unmerited favor, will cause man and all of creation to be restored The mercy and love of God is to be so revealed that Jesus shall be All in all.
The purpose for the present is to save some. The purpose for the future is to save all. Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Even he who dies in sin shall be saved as by fire. Victorious grace covers a larger redemption than many would consider.”
Understanding Universal Salvation Part One
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Old 09-27-2016, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post The salvation of the unbeliever

THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVER
The Salvation of the Unbeliever, by A E Knoch



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Old 09-27-2016, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Heh-heh...Yea, okay...
Yea, ehe-ehe-ehe. So funi.
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Old 09-27-2016, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The death and resurrection of Jesus guarantees the eventual salvation of everyone.
ELECTION
Eventually everyone will be saved.
Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement.
"In 1Tim. 4:9-11 we are told that the living God `is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe,' and with this 1Tim. 2: 4-6 concurs. Many seek to limit it to believers, but they overlook the significance of the double statement. That there is a special salvation for believers is plainly stated, but this does not limit the other part of the statement, rather does it emphasize it. The salvation of believers is a special work; they are a special class in the `all mankind.' God's will for mankind is salvation, not as an experimental salvation toying with the will and choice of men, but as their Disposer – God.
My dear brethren, let us embrace this glorious truth which God has revealed for us. Let it so become a part of us that our lives will be reflecting it. Let it fill our hearts with the love of God and His glorious Son. Let us be rendering praise to the living God, the universal Creator and Reconciler, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
`To Him be glory for the eons! Amen!' " - E.G.Jones

REDEMPTION IN TWO PARTS - J. Preston Eby
http://www.godfire.net/eby/allinall.html

At the present time salvation is enjoyed only by those who believe; the balance of mankind will be saved at the consummation. A savior is one who actually saves. God is the savior of all mankind, not just the ‘potential’ savior. When the truth concerning the eons displaces the error about eternity, judgment and grace are seen to work harmoniously together till each reaches its predestined goal. All the threats of punishment to follow the judgment of the wicked can be accepted at their full, dreadful value without doing violence to our innate sense of justice, and without denying the predictions of a final victory of grace.
Don Bast

THE GOSPEL OF GRACE – CHARLES W. WELLER
“Love conquers all, for it is the love of God that allows humanity to see its frailty that in the bitter dregs it may choose life. I thank the Lord that the plan of redemption wasn’t a stop gap measure but a well thought out plan that in the fullness of time, all will have Christ as their head. Victory in Jesus!
Before creation there was no time. Since creation there has been time. But with the consummation of things and God becoming All in all, time will end, and sin, which is limited by time shall end. Yet, God and creation shall go on.
If God cannot surmount the evil in the world and turn it all into good, then there is a power equal and opposite to Him. But sin isn’t eternal. The cross of Calvary isn’t a ‘hope so’ move by God, but rather, a well conceived thought out solution to the problem of sin. There is an end to sin and to the death it causes. All shall be swallowed up into victory. Some, God has planned to accept Him now. Others, like Pharaoh, He hardens their heart. But being a righteous Judge He will show wrath on those who need it to cleanse them of their fallen nature.
The plan of God is such that His grace, that unmerited favor, will cause man and all of creation to be restored The mercy and love of God is to be so revealed that Jesus shall be All in all.
The purpose for the present is to save some. The purpose for the future is to save all. Because men have failed to see and understand the doctrine of election, it has propagated false ideas of salvation. Even he who dies in sin shall be saved as by fire. Victorious grace covers a larger redemption than many would consider.”
Understanding Universal Salvation Part One
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