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Old 12-04-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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Christianity has many branches, Viz.

Indeed it does.

If it didn't..... Viz would have to find another line of work.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:24 PM
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The scriptural evidence against universalism is overwhelming. Folks, it's a rout. That's why we follow the Great Commision.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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The scriptural evidence against universalism is overwhelming. Folks, it's a rout. That's why we follow the Great Commision.
Yes, that appears to be the problem. Salvation from Hell isn't even worth considering as a message, but if you don't have anything positive to share, it's just a bag of wind.

Consider the idea of sharing love in community as basic message.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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The scriptural evidence against universalism is overwhelming. Folks, it's a rout. That's why we follow the Great Commission.
It must be hard to love others, as yourself?
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Old 12-04-2016, 03:38 PM
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Yes, that appears to be the problem. Salvation from Hell isn't even worth considering as a message, but if you don't have anything positive to share, it's just a bag of wind.

Consider the idea of sharing love in community as basic message.
Yes, we share the love of God through the redemptive work of Christ. John 3:16
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Old 12-04-2016, 03:39 PM
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It must be hard to love others, as yourself?
Sometimes it is, but we do it anyway.
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Old 12-04-2016, 04:33 PM
 
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Does Scripture Teach Universal Salvation?
No, because God will Not clear the guilty - Exodus 34:7
The unforgivable sin is unforgivable according to Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6
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Old 12-04-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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Yes, that appears to be the problem. Salvation from Hell isn't even worth considering as a message,......
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Salvation from hell isn't worth considering if one believes in a religious-myth non-biblical permanent hell.
However, if you are considering salvation ( rescued / delivered ) from temporary biblical hell then it is worth considering.
If biblical hell was a permanent place then righteous Jesus would still be in the Bible's hell - Acts 2:27; Psalm 16:10

Jesus did Not teach pain in death, but rather sleep in death according to John 11:11-14
Jesus, who was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures, which also teach sleep in death:
- Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13l Ecclesiastes 9:5

Jesus has the keys to unlock biblical hell ( grave ) - Revelation 1:18
During resurrection day meaning Jesus millennium-long day of governing over Earth biblical hell comes to a final end.
After everyone in biblical hell is resurrected out of temporary hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death' for vacated biblical hell.
- Revelation 20:13-14
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Post The unforgivable sin

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No, because God will Not clear the guilty - Exodus 34:7
The unforgivable sin is unforgivable according to Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6
Instead of being forgiven, the sinner will suffer the consequences.
But the consequenses are eonian, not eternal.

I found this link helpful.
The Blasphemy Of The Spirit | Concordant Publishing Concern

The correct literal translation:
Mk 3: 28 Verily, I am saying to you that all shall be pardoned the
sons of mankind, the penalties of the sins and the blasphemies,
whatsoever they should be blaspheming, 29 yet whoever should be
blaspheming against the holy spirit is having no pardon for the eon,
but is liable to the eonian penalty for the sin- (Concordant Literal
Translation)

Greek scholar William Barclay wrote concerning kolasis aionion (age-during corrective chastisement) in Matthew 25:46
"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure."
See what other Greek scholars say about it too.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS – Louis Abbott
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html

Fifteen literally translated (not interpretively translated) Bibles that reveal what God will do with the sinners in Matthew 25:46
Concordant Literal, Young’s literal, Wilson’s Emphatic Diaglott, Rotherham’s Emphasized, Scarlett’s, J.W. Hanson’s New Covenant, Twentieth Century, Ferrar Fenton, The Western New Testament, Weymouth’s (unedited), Clementson’s, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible, Bullinger’s Companion Bible margins, Jonathan Mitchell’s translation (2010).

Regarding the meaning of aionios, many Greek scholars agree with John Wesley Hanson.
AIÓN – AIÓNIOS
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.shtml

Dean Hough wrote “The definition given in THE VOCABULARY OF THE GREEK TESTAMENT (edited by James Hope Moulton and George Milligan) is helpful. Concerning aionios we read, “In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view . . .” (p.16). If the horizon of the extermination spoken of by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is simply not in view, then we can see that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 can truly occur. The same all who are dying in Adam, which includes some who incur eonian extermination, can indeed eventually be vivified in Christ.
The Bible, in fact, does not speak of judgment and condemnation, death and destruction, hades and Gehenna, or any of these serious consequences of sin, as unending. It may refer to them as not having the end in view, but none of these fearful works of God can keep Him from achieving His will (1Tim.2:4); reconciling all through the blood of Christ’s cross (Col.1:20, and becoming All in all (1 Cor.15:28).”
Dean Hough

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Old 12-04-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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Post Ersal salvation assured

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The scriptural evidence against universalism is overwhelming. Folks, it's a rout. That's why we follow the Great Commision.

LOUIS ABBOTT – UNIVERSAL SALVATION ASSURED
Interested students of the Word of God will decide if Louis Abbott knows what He is talking about.
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS – LOUIS ABBOTT
In the forward to his book AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS, Louis Abbott wrote, “One key area various denominations are divided over is the final destiny of the ungodly, the wicked, the unsaved, the unregenerate, or however one wishes to phrase it.
There are three views on this subject. Each position claims Scriptural support: (1) eternal torment; (2) eternal destruction; and (3) the ultimate salvation of all. It is obvious that all cannot be correct. Two of them have to be wrong.
I pray this book will be a blessing to all who are struggling with this subject.” (unquote)
Notice how Louis proves that numbers one and two are wrong according to the Bible.
This book can be read online at this link
AN ANALYTICAL STUDY OF WORDS
An Analytical Study of Words
ENJOY!
Eight interviews with Greek scholar Louis Abbott about his belief that the Bible teaches universal salvation (in eight parts)
Copy and paste the links into your browser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoNxjUAAi8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuoRnAsugew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAsVTXJYEHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_sblmYiX4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfx6tcwq3M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM5fSRDxVwg
athiest – Tentmaker Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWeKXdNhyg
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