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Old 02-16-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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And what makes you think not all will believe? do not the scriptures tell us that every knee shall bow (the word bow here is always used in worship) and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


God gets no glory from lip service jim, thus the confession is from the heart.
the demons believe in Jesus, and tremble.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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A classic sign of false doctrine is to take one verse, of which they have no understanding, and make a doctrine out of it.
That one verse tells you, nay commands you what to teach. And the preceding verses told you that anything other then what we are commanded to teach comes from a doctrine of demons.

And if you think that is the only verse that tells us the God is going to save all men you do not know your bible very well.

Think about this, to miss the mark is sin. It is liken to an archer taking aim at a target and missing the target.

God ( the archer) took aim at the salvation of the world ( the target), sent his son ( the arrow) for the purpose of saving the world.

Your doctrine teaches God missed his mark, thus your doctrine teaches God sinned.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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the demons believe in Jesus, and tremble.
Your defeating your own doctrine which holds that all who believe in Jesus are saved.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Your defeating your own doctrine which holds that all who believe in Jesus are saved.
No so. The belief that Jesus taught is not mere lip service.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:48 AM
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And what makes you think not all will believe? do not the scriptures tell us that every knee shall bow (the word bow here is always used in worship) and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.


God gets no glory from lip service jim, thus the confession is from the heart.
Because both Jesus and Paul taught there is no chance at redemption after physical death. "Now is the day of salvation." 2 Cor. 6:2
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:49 AM
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Your defeating your own doctrine which holds that all who believe in Jesus are saved.
Head belief vs. heart belief. Romans 10:9-10
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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Because both Jesus and Paul taught there is no chance at redemption after physical death. "Now is the day of salvation." 2 Cor. 6:2
Well I guess you cannot be saved then because they said that 2000 years ago.

What you guys do is make today mean as long as man is alive they can be saved, thus according to you 70 odd years is today.

When Christ is revealed to a person, that is their day of salvation.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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Head belief vs. heart belief. Romans 10:9-10
My head and my heart tell me all will be saved just as we are commanded to teach.

Why is it you guys do not believe what we are commanded to teach? It is a very direct statement that goes to the heart of the gospel. Instead of fighting against it because of your indoctrination you should be accepting it and letting it shape your doctrine. you guys simple have it backwards, letting your doctrine shape what you believe.

So here again is what we are commanded to teach.

Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

You either believe it or you do not.

The difference is if you continue to hold to your doctrine you are teaching God sins as he missed his mark of the salvation of the world.
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:29 AM
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My head and my heart tell me all will be saved just as we are commanded to teach.

Why is it you guys do not believe what we are commanded to teach? It is a very direct statement that goes to the heart of the gospel. Instead of fighting against it because of your indoctrination you should be accepting it and letting it shape your doctrine. you guys simple have it backwards, letting your doctrine shape what you believe.

So here again is what we are commanded to teach.

Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

You either believe it or you do not.

The difference is if you continue to hold to your doctrine you are teaching God sins as he missed his mark of the salvation of the world.
We do teach and preach that. Jesus died for the sins of mankind. Won't you believe?
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Old 02-16-2017, 11:31 AM
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Well I guess you cannot be saved then because they said that 2000 years ago.

What you guys do is make today mean as long as man is alive they can be saved, thus according to you 70 odd years is today.

When Christ is revealed to a person, that is their day of salvation.
Again, scripture indicates salvation is offered only on this side of the grave.
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