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Old 09-15-2018, 07:32 AM
 
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HeWillCome2040,
re: "There is a very fitting reason why the 1st day of the week was why Jesus rose. Male children were circumcised on the 8th day. This was to indicate a new day in which all the sons would be consecrated to the Father. So the first day of the week is actually a type of the this 8th day."


I don't see the connection. The 1st day of the week is always the 1st day of the week. The eighth day for circumcision can fall on any day of the week.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:10 AM
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HeWillCome2040,
re: "There is a very fitting reason why the 1st day of the week was why Jesus rose. Male children were circumcised on the 8th day. This was to indicate a new day in which all the sons would be consecrated to the Father. So the first day of the week is actually a type of the this 8th day."


I don't see the connection. The 1st day of the week is always the 1st day of the week. The eighth day for circumcision can fall on any day of the week.



the connection is this:


Sunday 1st

Monday 2nd
Tuesday 3rd
Wednesday 4th
Thursday 5th
Friday 6th
Saturday 7th
Sunday 8th. <-----



Remember, that if we look at the week we can see that the 7th day is relevant to the Sabbath which is also the day that Jesus will usher in upon His return in the Millennial rule. After that thousand years will be the 8th day which is when Jesus turns over the Kingdom to the Father after all have been brought under subjection.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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HeWillCome2040,
re: "There is a very fitting reason why the 1st day of the week was why Jesus rose. Male children were circumcised on the 8th day. This was to indicate a new day in which all the sons would be consecrated to the Father. So the first day of the week is actually a type of the this 8th day."


I don't see the connection. The 1st day of the week is always the 1st day of the week. The eighth day for circumcision can fall on any day of the week.
Yea, the reference point is the birth of the male child and it takes eight days for the child to build up immunities so he won’t get an infection from the incision...
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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No, Like I have stated many times, I believe it was Wednesday. In my very 1st post I show the comparison of all 3.

14th Wednesday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset
15th Thursday Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Friday
17th Saturday Sabbath- No work allowed & Rose from the grave after sunset on 1st day of the week when Sabbath was over


14th Thursday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave


14th Friday Died @
3PM and placed in grave right before sunset
15th Saturday: Dual Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Sunday
17th Monday-Rose from the Grave

Its only a Wed or Thursday that could work and fit scriptures, as Jesus death on the cross put and end to sacrifices as well.

ASSUMING JESUS LITERALLY MEANT HE MUST BE IN THE TOMB FOR 3 DAYS 3 NIGHTS
If we start the timer from 6pm ish time frame when he was put in the tomb it would be the following

WEDNESDAY Crucifixion
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Thursday 6p-6a/Thursday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Friday 6p-6a/Friday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Saturday 6p-6a/Saturday 6a-6p
Sunday 6p-
Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday(1hr+ later)

THURSDAYCrucifixion
1 NIGHT+
1 DAY
Friday 6p-6a/Friday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Saturday 6p-6a/
Saturday 6a-6p
Sunday 6p-Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday(1hr+ later)

FRIDAY
Crucifixion
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Saturday 6p-6a/Saturday 6a-6p
Sunday 6p-Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday(1hr+ later)


-Wednesday gives 3 days and 3 nights with him rising as it was the 1st day of the week, Thursday gives 2 days/2nights. Friday gives 1 day/1night, if we go by when his body was placed in the tomb.





ASSUMING JESUS MEANT 3 DAYS/3 NIGHTS AND THEY COULD MEAN ANY PART OF A DAY COUNTING AS A DAY
If we start the timer from 3pm time frame when he died on the cross it would be the following


WEDNESDAY Crucifixion
1 DAY Wednesday 3pm-6pm
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Thursday 6p-6a/Thursday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Friday 6p-6a/Friday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Saturday 6p-6a/Saturday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT Sunday 6p-
Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday(1hr+ later)
4 NIGHTS + 4 DAYS


THURSDAYCrucifixion
1 DAY Thursday 3pm-6pm
1 NIGHT+
1 DAY
Friday 6p-6a/Friday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT+1 DAY Saturday 6p-6a/
Saturday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT Sunday 6p-Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday (1hr+ later)
3 NIGHTS + 3 DAYS


FRIDAY
Crucifixion
1 DAY Friday 3pm-6pm
1 NIGHT+
1 DAY
Saturday 6p-6a/
Saturday 6a-6p
1 NIGHT Sunday 6p-Jesus rose in that transition period from Saturday to Sunday(1hr+later)
2 NIGHTS + 2 DAYS

-Thurdsay fits the bill and Friday is once again eliminated.



Which goes back to my OP, it takes alot of mental gymnastics used to get a Friday death and Sunday resurrection to be equal to 3 Days/3 Nights.


I personally believe it was the 1st day of the week he rose, as it was mentioned in other parts of the gospels and ALL the 1st century church fathers taught this also as well, and they would have a much better testimony, since they were alive closer to that time than we were, so I see no reason in them making that the day he rose up. As for the day he died I still go with Wed since it was the midst of the week like Daniel 9:26-27 mentioned or Thursday if any part of a day was to be counted as a day.

Daniel 9:26-27King James Version (KJV)
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel - Chapter 9

26 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and he will be no more, and the people of the coming monarch will destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and his end will come about by inundation, and until the end of the war, it will be cut off into desolation.

Rashi:

And after: those weeks.

the anointed one will be cut off: Agrippa, the king of Judea, who was ruling at the time of the destruction, will be slain.

and he will be no more: Heb. וְאֵין לוֹ, and he will not have. The meaning is that he will not be.

the anointed one: Heb. מָשִׁיחַ. This is purely an expression of a prince and a dignitary.

and the city and the Sanctuary: lit. and the city and the Holy.

and the people of the coming monarch will destroy: [The monarch who will come] upon them. That is Titus and his armies.

and his end will come about by inundation: And his end will be damnation and destruction, for He will inundate the power of his kingdom through the Messiah, and until the end of the wars of Gog the city will exist.

cut off into desolation: a destruction of desolation.


27 And he will strengthen a covenant for the princes for one week, and half the week he will abolish sacrifice and meal- offering, and on high, among abominations, will be the dumb one, and until destruction and extermination befall the dumb one.

Rashi:

And he will strengthen a covenant for the princes for one week: לָרַבִּים, for the princes, like “and all the officers of (רַבֵּי) the king,” in the Book of Jeremiah (39:13).

will strengthen: Titus [will strengthen] a covenant with the princes of Israel.

for one week: He will promise them the strengthening of a covenant and peace for seven years, but within the seven years, he will abrogate his covenant.

he will abolish sacrifice and meal-offering: This is what he says in the first vision (8:26): “and in tranquility he will destroy many.” Through a covenant of tranquility, he will destroy them.

and on high, among abominations will be the dumb one: This is a pejorative for pagan deities. i.e., on a high place, among abominations and disgusting things, he will place the dumb one, the pagan deity, which is dumb like a silent stone.

high: Heb. כְּנַף, lit. wing, an expression of height, like the wing of a flying bird.

and until destruction and extermination befall the dumb one: and the ruling of the abomination will endure until the day that the destruction and extermination decreed upon it [will] befall it, in the days of the king Messiah.

befall the dumb one: Heb. תִּתַּ, reach; and total destruction will descend upon the image of the pagan deity and upon its worshippers.

These two verses are regarding King Agrippa [the anointed-one] and Titus, the one who utterly destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple...
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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The Cross did put an and for the need for the sacrifices. What Paul did was to enter into the horrible apostasy of the church in Jerusalem. Paul came to Jerusalem after having rebuked such things, and was proclaiming grace, not law. Yet? Paul gave into the pressure from the apostate legalistic Judaizers, and came within an inch of losing his life when Jews recognized Paul in the Temple. God disciplined Paul severely for such actions. Its why Paul ended up being held in chains. The Lord had wanted Paul to be in Rome, but Paul got homesick and longed for the glory days of his past.... The rest is history.


The reason the book of Hebrews was written (just before Jerusalem was destroyed) was to warn the apostate Jewish believers in Jerusalem. Hebrews 6 was a rebuke of the animal sacrifices. It was a warning to those who understood grace to stop trying to reason with the apostates... For,, they already knew too much and had hardened their hearts in their apostasy. That is why the writer of Hebrews said that it was impossible to bring them back to repentance. That, instead of wasting their time trying to reason, that the grace orientated believers should move on in what accompanies maturity and to leave the apostates be.



4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have
tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who
have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the
coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.
To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting
him to public disgrace. Hebrews 6:4-6




When Paul returned to the Temple, to enter into the ritual he was told to follow?



He was doing verse 6b!


To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again (animal sacrifice) and subjecting
him to public disgrace." (making the animal sacrifice equal to the Cross that Jesus bore!)




.

Yea, no....
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