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Old 03-25-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-21, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 all indicate that Christ revived during the third day rather than after the third day was over and done.

So if we assign Sunday as the third day, then it's child's play to identify Saturday as the second, and Friday as the first.

And if we permit John 11:9 to define day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down; then Saturday night is the third night, Friday night is the second night, and Thursday night is the first night.

FYI: John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

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Old 03-25-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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Default Days and nights of the Resurrection story.

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Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-21, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 all indicate that Christ revived during the third day rather than after the third day was over and done.

So if we assign Sunday as the third day, then it's child's play to identify Saturday as the second, and Friday as the first.

And if we permit John 11:9 to define day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down; then Saturday night is the third night, Friday night is the second night, and Thursday night is the first night.

FYI: John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

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QUESTION: Then you are claiming that Jesus was crucified on Thursday and not Good Friday, right?
And he rose on Easter Sunday?
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Old 03-25-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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A very common oversight when computing the daily chronology of crucifixion week is failure to take into consideration that Christ ate his own Passover a full 24 hours ahead of the Jews.

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Old 03-26-2016, 05:43 AM
 
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Why is this so important to you?
Why aren't facts important to you?
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Old 03-26-2016, 06:59 AM
 
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Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-21, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 all indicate that Christ revived during the third day rather than after the third day was over and done.

So if we assign Sunday as the third day, then it's child's play to identify Saturday as the second, and Friday as the first.

And if we permit John 11:9 to define day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down; then Saturday night is the third night, Friday night is the second night, and Thursday night is the first night.

FYI: John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

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RESPONSE: So are you saying that Jesus was crucified on Thursday even though the next day wasn't a Sabbath?
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Old 03-26-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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A very common oversight when computing the daily chronology of crucifixion week is failure to take into consideration that Christ ate his own Passover a full 24 hours ahead of the Jews.

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RESPONSE: Actually, he couldn't have because (1) it wasn't yet Passover, and (2) The ritually slaughtered lambs had not yet been slaughtered.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:16 AM
 
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So are you saying that Jesus was crucified on Thursday even though the next day wasn't a Sabbath?
Before people can learn how to do algebra, they first have to learn how to do arithmetic; viz: start with the basics. Master the chronology of the three days and three nights first: only then will your mind be in a condition to tackle the Sabbath issue.


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Actually, he couldn't have because (1) it wasn't yet Passover, and (2) The ritually slaughtered lambs had not yet been slaughtered.
Christ's last supper was a Passover.

†. Luke 22:7-16 . .Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying: Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.

. . .Where do you want us to prepare for it?

. . . He replied: As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, and say to the owner of the house: "The Teacher asks: where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?" He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there.

. . .They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.

. . .When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them: I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.

The Jews ate their Passover after Christ was arrested and put on trial.

†. John 13:1-2 . . Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And supper being ended, etc, etc.

†. John 18:28 . .Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

†. John 19:13-14 . .When Pilate therefore heard these words, he brought Jesus out, and sat down on the judgment seat at a place called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour.

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Old 03-26-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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Kind of a facile interpretation of events. The OP forgets that the Jewish day begins at sunset not sunrise. That's why Sabbath begins on sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday.

So...

DAY ONE (Friday): Christ crucified and entombed before sunset. Scripture says as much.
DAY TWO (Saturday): Christ in the tomb.
DAY THREE (Sunday): Chris rises from the dead

And, as we state in the Nicene Creed, we say '...on the third day,' not 'after three days.' Glad I could clear that up for you.

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Old 03-26-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Kind of a facile interpretation of events. The OP forgets that the Jewish day begins at sunset not sunrise. That's why Sabbath begins on sunset on Friday and ends at sunset on Saturday.

So...

DAY ONE (Friday): Christ crucified and entombed before sunset. Scripture says as much.
DAY TWO (Saturday): Christ in the tomb.
DAY THREE (Sunday): Chris rises from the dead

Glad I could clear that up for you.
There is on huge problem with your theory and those are the words of Christ himself and the gospels also showing Jesus was long gone before sunrise.

Matthew 12:38-40
The Scribes and Pharisees Ask for a Sign
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


Jesus gave 1 sign and 1 sign only that he would be the Messiah and it was that he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, yet many still are teaching a Friday death and Sunday morning resurrection of 1.5 days to be equal to 3 days/3 nights, even though the Jews never counted time like that. Jesus was aware of how they counted time.


-Matthew 27 shows they wanted a guard there until the 3rd day

Matthew 27:62-65
New King James Version (NKJV)
Pilate Sets a Guard
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”


-Matthew 28 shows after the Sabbath was ending (Sunset Saturday) and it was going on to the 1st day of the week the angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

Matthew 28
He Is Risen
28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

-Luke 24 shows when they got there early at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.


Luke 24

He Is Risen
24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”


-Mark 16 shows when they got there at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so once again, there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.

Mark 16

He Is Risen
16 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.



-John 20 shows it was dark when they got to the tomb on Sunday and the tomb was empty, so yet another gospel shows he did not rise at sunrise and was already gone

John 20
The Empty Tomb
20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.

-All 4 gospels shows the Sabbath was over and it was now the 1rst day of the week and he had already risen from the grave before the sun rose. Mathew 28 is the only one that gives an account of when the angel came and it was when the Sabbath just ended the Sabbath on the 1rst day of the week, so the "he rose at sunrise" is false, so since he rose on Sunday the 17th of Nissan and died on Nisan 14.


He was placed in tomb around 6pm(sunset) on Wednesday and at sunset on Saturday night he rose, which was considered the 1st day of the week, since a new day started at sunset and fulfilled the 3 days/3 nights. All 4 gospels said he rose early in the morning on the 1st day of the week, not at sunrise. They came at sunrise to see he was already gone.

He died @ 3pm on Wed and was placed in the grave right before sunset.
Wed 6PM-Thur 6PM= 1 night/1day
Thur 6PM-Fri 6PM= 1 night/1day
Fri 6PM-Sat 6PM= 1 night/1day


So you have 3 full days & 3 full nights. Jesus gave 1 sign and 1 sign only and it was he was going to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. If he wasnt in the grave 3 days & 3 nights aka Fri-Sun, HE IS NOT THE MESSIAH.

(3days/3nights)
14th Wednesday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset 6pm
15th Thursday Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Friday- Bought Spices to anoint the body
17th Saturday Sabbath- No work allowed & went to get more spices after the Sabbath & he Rose from the grave after sunset @ 6pm on 1st day of the week when Sabbath was over

If Jesus wasnt referring to a full 3 days and 3 nights, the best would be a Thursday
(3 days)
14th Thursday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset 6pm
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave after the sun went down Saturday, so this is early on the 1st day of the week.

But anyway you look at it, Friday is ruled out.
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