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Old 03-26-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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A very common oversight when computing the daily chronology of crucifixion week is failure to take into consideration that Christ ate his own Passover a full 24 hours ahead of the Jews.

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RESPONSE:Really? In what chapter and verse did you find that?
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Old 03-26-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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A very common oversight when computing the daily chronology of crucifixion week is failure to take into consideration that Christ ate his own Passover a full 24 hours ahead of the Jews.
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In what chapter and verse did you find that?
See post #37

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Old 03-26-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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The OP forgets that the Jewish day begins at sunset not sunrise.
Christ limited days to 12 hours, and no more.

. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

"this world's light" is the sun. So according to Christ, day is when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down.

John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night as when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

When people fail to calculate the chronology of Matt 12:40 and John 2:19 using biblical days and nights as per John 11:9, Gen 1:14, and Gen 1:16-18, they just end up muddying the waters.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities; e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices.

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Old 03-26-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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Christ limited days to 12 hours, and no more.

. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

"this world's light" is the sun. So according to Christ, day is when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down.

John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night as when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

When people fail to calculate the chronology of Matt 12:40 and John 2:19 using biblical days and nights as per John 11:9, Gen 1:14, and Gen 1:16-18, they just end up muddying the waters.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities; e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices.

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Daylight was twelve hours, as it is today. My word, I don't care for literal-minded people.

But, once again, the Jewish counted the day beginning at sunset.
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Old 03-26-2016, 06:27 PM
 
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What difference does it make, nitpicking the hours, minutes, seconds? Jesus Christ is Risen! He died to give the opportunity for eternal life to anyone willing to accept His gift. Praise God and spread the Word to those who desperately need to hear it.
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Old 03-26-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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What difference does it make, nitpicking the hours, minutes, seconds? Jesus Christ is Risen! He died to give the opportunity for eternal life to anyone willing to accept His gift. Praise God and spread the Word to those who desperately need to hear it.
Because you need to be able to defend your faith. Jesus said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights and that is the only sign he would give that he was the son of God, so if Christians are teaching him being in the grave for 1.5 days and saying its the same as 3 days, they are making Jesus out to be a liar and actually making him a sinner and not the Messiah.


THIS IS WHY IT MATTERS. Its sad many Christians cant defend their own faith, when when they get a chance and should go to scriptures, they just go the whole who cares or what does it matter route, rather than show how Jesus fulfilled scriptures.

It wont be too long before Christians are saying what does it matter or who cares if we take the Mark of the Beast or not, I still believe in Jesus and thats all that matters regardless of Jesus said.
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Old 03-26-2016, 07:22 PM
 
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There seems to be quite a bit of mental gymnastics required here. How do we get from the last supper to the garden of Gethsemane to the arrest then to Pilate's court then to king Herod's court then back to Pilate then to be flogged then back to Pilate then to Golgotha all before the Sabbath? I should point out that king Herod did not even exist at this time - he died in 4 BC, ten years before the birth of Jesus in 6 AD.
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Old 03-26-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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once again, the Jewish counted the day beginning at sunset.
If the Jewish day began at sunset, when did the Jewish night begin; at sunrise?

Once again:

Christ limited days to 12 hours, and no more.

. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

"this world's light" is the sun. So according to Christ, day is when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down.

John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night as when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

When people fail to calculate the chronology of Matt 12:40 and John 2:19 using biblical days and nights as per John 11:9, Gen 1:14, and Gen 1:16-18, they just end up muddying the waters.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities; e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices.

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Old 03-26-2016, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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It wont be too long before Christians are saying what does it matter or who cares if we take the Mark of the Beast or not, I still believe in Jesus and thats all that matters regardless of Jesus said.
People have been taking the mark of Tammuz for 2000 years.


This year on Rosh Hashannah, your name will be spoken according to the feasts you keep, and if you keep God's Sabbaths and feasts, then Jesus will speak for you as you come up to Yom Kippur, boldly to the throne every year.


You are sealed between your eyes every year with protection against Yom Kippur, your name is spoken on Rosh Hashannah and your name is written in a book according to the feasts you keep. A decision is made each year whether you shall live through the next year or not.


There are ten days between Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur, and these are days for doing good works, but some will be put in prisons for these ten days.


Anyone who walks the walk.


Exodus 13 shows how a person is sealed, and Ezekiel 8 and 9 show Tammuz, the Babylonian Messiah and how people die at 6 p.m, on the 6th day in the 6th month in the 6th year for keeping the holy days of Babylon, Holy days mark you as a memorial between you and YOUR GOD.
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Old 03-26-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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See post #37

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There is a case for Jesus having his own Passover, but that does not alter the fact that, for everyone else, it coincided (in the Gospel resurrection -story) with the Saturday. And that in itself makes no difference to the gospels making it clear that the crucifixion was on the day before the Sabbath, which is a Friday.

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Christ limited days to 12 hours, and no more.

†. John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

"this world's light" is the sun. So according to Christ, day is when the sun is up, and night is when the sun is down.

John 11:9 isn't the only passage in the Bible that defines day as when the sun is up, and night as when the sun is down. Gen 1:14 defines days and nights that way too.

Furthermore: Gen 1:16-18 defines night as when the stars are out.

When people fail to calculate the chronology of Matt 12:40 and John 2:19 using biblical days and nights as per John 11:9, Gen 1:14, and Gen 1:16-18, they just end up muddying the waters.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities; e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices.

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Jews referred to day and night, and daylight was 12 hours, sure. But that makes no difference to the reckoning of a day and night as 24 hours, the new day beginning at evening.

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What difference does it make, nitpicking the hours, minutes, seconds? Jesus Christ is Risen! He died to give the opportunity for eternal life to anyone willing to accept His gift. Praise God and spread the Word to those who desperately need to hear it.
As was said before, it is about gospel reliability. If yo can't rust the gospels about simple facts like days and nights, how can you trust them on resurrection claims? If you don't care about gospel reliability and prefer to take it on faith, that's fine, and this thread has nothing to concern you.

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