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Old 04-01-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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wow 9 pages......some thinking has been stimulated for sure.....way back there somebody posted He died on Wednesday.......which is true, and at 3pm.........but where the western mind is thrown for a loop is the fact that when it gets dark on Wednesday it begins THURSDAY in Israel......so He died late Wed afternoon but wasn't in the tomb until the beginning of Thursday. Thurs-Fri-Sat resurrection Sunday.

The other confusing point was the feast of unleavened bread was a once a year event and followed Passover the next day, and the day after that was the regular weekly Saturday sabbath. So 3 high holy days in a row. Followed by the mightiest event in human history the resurrection..........and the point of this post is you should not trust mens traditions, they aren't necessarily correct......
Well, placing the crucifixion on the Wednesday would give us the three days and nights for sure and no need to wangle the crucifixion day and resurrection night in the reckoning. That's if you can read the resting on the Sabbath as lasting three days. I suppose the check would be to find when the feast of unleavened bread, Passover seder feast (not the same thing??) and a Saturday Sabbath all came in succession and that's your crucifixion year.

P.s Passover (the eating of the seder feast) is always part of the week -long festival of unleavened bread, or the Passover feast, as it is called. So the two always come together. I don't see however, how that results in adding an extra 'sabbath' day to the postulated Passover feast 'sabbath' and the normal Saturday postulated as two successive days rather than occurring together as the Gospels seem to imply.

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Old 04-02-2016, 07:34 AM
 
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Crucifixion was actually on a Thursday.......due to several confusing factors tradition has it Friday. There were three days of preparation in a row that week. Wed-Thur-Fri were all days of preparation. Wed prep day for Passover, Thursday prep day for Feast of unleavened bread, and Friday prep day for the weekly Sabbath. Jesus plainly told the scribes and Pharisees He would be in the grave not just for 3 days, but for 3 nights as well. If the crucifixion were Friday you don't have 3 nights. If Jesus died at 3pm Friday there was no time to prepare the body and move it to the grave amidst the entire population of Israel packed into Jerusalem before sundown. No work was to be done after sundown. There were 3 holy days you were required to be present in Jerusalem, and Passover was one of them. If you were not present you were thrown out of the country.

So Thursday was the real day of the crucifixion, and the elders of the Temple were well aware of the 3 days and 3 nights and were going to make sure it was exactly that way as we see in Matthew 27

Mat 27:62 The next day, that is, after the day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate
Mat 27:63 and said, "Sir, we remember how that impostor said, while he was still alive, 'After three days I will rise.'
Mat 27:64 Therefore order the tomb to be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples go and steal him away and tell the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last fraud will be worse than the first."
Mat 27:65 Pilate said to them, "You have a guard of soldiers. Go, make it as secure as you can."
Mat 27:66 So they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard.

Remember also that days over in Israel begin the day BEFORE at sundown......technically when the Rabbi's see 3 stars in the sky......so Friday evening at sundown began Saturday and ran til sundown the next day......this is the traditional Sabbath day still practiced until now by the Jews.

I am well aware this post will change nothing out there.....but it may answer some questions for the critical thinkers out there who know when Jesus says something, it will happen exactly as He says it will.

Happy Easter everybody......and be looking up!

Dear vf,
Pagan days and Hebrew days do not correspond. In countries that use Sunday as the first day of the week, Thursday (day of Jupiter) would be the 5th day of the week. Hebrew days run from sunset to sunset. Passover is on the "twilight of the 14th of Nissan" (Leviticus 23:4-8). The 15th of Nissan is a high holy Sabbath, and the "Feast of Unleavened Bread".


Lev 23:4-8 “These are the appointed feasts of the Lord, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”


The crucifixion happened on late/twilight of the 14th of Nissan, the 4th day of the week, whereas the last supper happened early (after sundown of the 3rd day of the week), which corresponds to the beginning of the 4th day of the week. The fifth day of the week would correspond to the "Feast of Unleavened bread". The body was in the belly of the earth the 5th, 6th and 7th day, as well as the night of the 5th, 6th, 7th day, which occurs at the beginning of the day. Easter is simply another pagan holiday, with regards to the queen of heaven/Astarte and her holy day. The resurrection/Easter, after 3 days and 3 nights was simply a sign for the wicked generation (Mt 16:4). The Passover meal and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were the holy days kept by the followers of Yeshua. Easter, the feast of Astarte, and the 25th of December, the birth day of Constantine's god Sol Invictus, are simply abominations of the daughters of Babylon. (Rev 17:5).
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Old 04-03-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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According to the Bible, the first full moon after the Spring Equinox is Passover. True or false?
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You are still missing the point...
And you're avoiding the answer. Please answer the question i posed. We can't go any further until we agree on the answer. My answer is true. Passover always follows the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. What is your answer?
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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And you're avoiding the answer. Please answer the question i posed. We can't go any further until we agree on the answer. My answer is true. Passover always follows the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. What is your answer?
No, Pesach is always on the 14th of Nissan which Nissan 1 does not begin until April 9...
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Old 04-03-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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And you're avoiding the answer. Please answer the question i posed. We can't go any further until we agree on the answer. My answer is true. Passover always follows the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. What is your answer?
Oh, and you are talking about Easter, not Passover....
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Old 04-04-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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No, Pesach is always on the 14th of Nissan which Nissan 1 does not begin until April 9...
Then you are not following the Hebrew calendar that Moses used in the Bible as I first stated. You are using the 19-year intercalary cycle was instituted by Hillel II in the fourth century CE. Just as I stated before, the current calendar the Jewish nation uses today is not the same thus according to the Law and the Passover will be one month late this year according to the Bible.

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Old 04-04-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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Oh, and you are talking about Easter, not Passover....
Speaking of Easter, where do you think they got the idea to put Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox? It's based on the Passover of the Bible where Passover was celebrated on the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. Again, the current calendar used by the Jews is incorrect this year because of a rigid tradition made in the 4th century.

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Old 04-04-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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As I understand the argument, Friday was a Sabbath because it was the day of the Passover feast...
The Passover being a Sabbath is not correct according to Law. The day after Passover was always a Sabbath. Not Passover itself. John 19:31 notes that Jesus died on the day of Preparation which was also Passover, which is the day before the Sabbath. Double Sabbath is also translated as 'Greater Sabbath' or 'Higher Sabbath'. Nisan 14 is not a Sabbath. The day after Passover is always a Sabbath. It just so happens that the day after Passover happened to be on the last day of the week which as we know is a normal Sabbath.

Again, the main question that we go back to, is the account of the Bible correct or not? It only mentions 3 days. Nisan 14 (death), 15 (Sabbath & guard placed) and 16 (Resurrection).
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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The Passover being a Sabbath is not correct according to Law. The day after Passover was always a Sabbath. Not Passover itself. John 19:31 notes that Jesus died on the day of Preparation which was also Passover, which is the day before the Sabbath. Double Sabbath is also translated as 'Greater Sabbath' or 'Higher Sabbath'. Nisan 14 is not a Sabbath. The day after Passover is always a Sabbath. It just so happens that the day after Passover happened to be on the last day of the week which as we know is a normal Sabbath.

Again, the main question that we go back to, is the account of the Bible correct or not? It only mentions 3 days. Nisan 14 (death), 15 (Sabbath & guard placed) and 16 (Resurrection).
Do you even know what the preparation day is?...
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Old 04-04-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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Speaking of Easter, where do you think they got the idea to put Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox? It's based on the Passover of the Bible where Passover was celebrated on the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. Again, the current calendar used by the Jews is incorrect this year because of a rigid tradition made in the 4th century.
From the Pagans, of course...
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