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Old 05-05-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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And how do you substantiate that claim in view of Luke's remark that Sunday near midday was the third day since the trial and crucifixion happened? Plus the four gospels read as theough it was three days"

Day of crucifixion (day of preparation)
Day in the tomb (Sabbath)
day of resurrection (first day of the week - Sunday.

I agree it does not add up to three days and three nights, but that is why you are all jumping through hoops and trying to fiddle in extra days that the Gospels don't mention and Luke positively discounts, simply to make this one Prophecy of Matthew's work.

It is futile to try to save Matthew's innerrancy, because we already know that he blundered over the 'Two donkeys'.
We can keep going round and round but your key to understanding is to know that each synoptic gospel focused on their key areas. To better understand what happened, you need to aggregate the gospels, without refusing any.

That weekend the preparation was for the Passover which was to happen on Friday, with the Sabbath on Saturday. The man arose early on Sunday morning.

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Old 05-05-2016, 05:47 PM
 
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We can keep going round and round but your key to understanding is to know that each synoptic gospel focused on their key areas. To better understand what happened, you need to aggregate the gospels, without refusing any.

That weekend the preparation was for the Passover which was to happen on Friday, with the Sabbath on Saturday. The man arose early on Sunday morning.

The purpose of the forum is best served when we learn from each other. No man is an island.
Always happy to learn. But I have learned that the 'wrote from a different perspective' excuse doesn't wash when they both write about the same event and contradict each other.

And Luke contradicts Matthew in many ways, and here in saying that the Sunday midday was the third day since the crucifixion (making it a Friday) scotches the effort to place it on a Thursday or Wednesday. And that means that Jesus could not have been three days and three nights in the 'earth' and that means that Matthew's prophetic utterance is wrong.

You can say he wrote it himself and it turns out to be wrong or you can say that Luke is wrong and his Cleophas episode he invented himself, but I don't see how they can be reconciled, no matter how you fiddle with Passover Sabbaths and counting daylight as a 12 -hour 'day'.
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Old 05-31-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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TRANSPONDER,

re: "And Luke contradicts Matthew in many ways, and here in saying that the Sunday midday was the third day since the crucifixion (making it a Friday)"





So if the first day of the week was" the third day since these things happened" and since the last thing mentioned was the crucifixion, then the seventh day of the week would have been the second day SINCE it happened. This would make the sixth day of the week the first day SINCE it happened, which would make the fifth day of the week the day that the crucifixion occurred and not the sixth day.
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