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Old 04-01-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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I don't care if it was on a Monday in July. A guy didn't die, wake up, and fly away. There is no need to believe that.

What can we learn from it? List them out and look at risks vs benifit of each.

We can choose healthy lesson or not.
I think choosing healthy lesson is the way to go, but that's just me.
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Old 04-01-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Typical response of those who lack comprehension...
So a question so as to offer clarity is answered with an insult. You showed me. Good job!
Are you sure you're Jewish? This is more like the response I'd get from a member of Westboro baptist church.
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Old 04-01-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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So a question so as to offer clarity is answered with an insult. You showed me. Good job!
Are you sure you're Jewish? This is more like the response I'd get from a member of Westboro baptist church.
I asked what your understanding was...How hard was it for you to actually answer the question?...You answered a question with a question...Now, that is typical of WBC...
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Everything that took place then will repeat itself on Tishri 15th as Ezekiel 45 shows it. All the sacrifices have to be displayed again.

I know. He showed me the Holy of Holies sort of "collapsing" on itself. The inner court/in part realm/Pentecost has to give way to the Holy of Holies/Tabernacles and the rest. And then it's going to get really interesting. The third compartment is fulfilled by the completion/finishing work of the first 2, ALL AT ONCE. When you see how they relate, it's stunning. Peace
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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I asked what your understanding was...How hard was it for you to actually answer the question?...You answered a question with a question...Now, that is typical of WBC...
Understanding of what? Be specific. Stop the games. 'What is your understanding of (this is the part that you fill in).'
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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A flaw with that chart is that it didn't count the day Jesus died at 3PM. By the math above, Jesus was dead on 4 days. Folks are going to have to let the whole 24 hour thing go.

It's like when a person books a hotel. They ask how many days they will be staying and person answers three. Arriving Thursday and leaving Saturday. They will be at the hotel for three days but only 2 nights. Folks have to stop trying to force their point of view of what 3 three days means and accept the Bible's point of view.
Yes. That works in term of 'the third day'. But not in terms of 'Three days in the tomb' and certainly not Matthew's three days and three nights. Accept that Matthew's Prophecy does not work and we are in agreement.
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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Understanding of what? Be specific. Stop the games. 'What is your understanding of (this is the part that you fill in).'
Track our posts back until you see...
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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Yes. That works in term of 'the third day'. But not in terms of 'Three days in the tomb' and certainly not Matthew's three days and three nights. Accept that Matthew's Prophecy does not work and we are in agreement.
It still works because there are other scriptures where the 3rd day is not a full day but a part of a day. Other Bible accounts show that this expression can mean parts of three days and that part of one day can be considered a whole day. Gen 42:17, 18 1 Kings 12:5, 12. compare to Matthew 27:62-66; 28:1-6.

Jesus was dead on Nisan 14, 15 and 16. Raised on the third day, the 16th. If Jesus was raised on the 17th that would be part of a 4th day. Yet the Bible doesn't say 4 days. He died and was buried on the Nisan 14. They posted a guard on Nisan 15 hoping to stop his followers from stealing the body. On Nisan 16 the guard was gone and the body was gone. There is no accounting for the mysterious missing day. So we either accept that three days and nights as parts of 3 days like other bible accounts or we don't. Because he was in the tomb on all three days including Nisan 14 (the afternoon before sunset), all of Nisan 15 and Nisan 16 (early morning only). God didn't wait for another 'night' to raise His Son because that would have been Nisan 17. Day four. The fact that the Jewish leaders asked for a guard on the 15th and not the 16th even they understood what day Jesus was supposed to return.

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Old 04-01-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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They show that the Jewish calendar today is not the same one used in Biblical times...or did you not read those websites?
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Why don't you explain your understanding....
This is were part your sentence trails off into .....

Do you deny that those websites show that the Jewish Calendar today is not observed exactly as it used to be? In particular, leap year.

Do you know why the current calendar your using is wrong this year based on Exodus 12:2, Exodus 13:3-4, 7-10, and Numbers 9:2-3?

In 2016, Nisan 14 (Passover) fell on March 23, the first opportunity for the 14th day of a Biblical month to occur after the equinox. But the Jewish calendar sets Nisan 14 at April 22nd. Why? Because the Jewish year 5776 (the spring months of 2016 fall within the Jewish year 5776) happens to be the 19th year of the 19-year calendar cycle and is then, by Judaic definition, a leap year (the 13th month must be added). This forces the first month to begin one month later than it normally would. Unfortunately, their calendar leap year tradition is so rigid that they fail to follow what is the correct interpretation of the scriptures listed above, that God gave them, which strongly imply that the Passover must be kept at the first opportunity on or after the spring equinox.

The first full moon after the spring equinox. That was on March 23. The current Jewish Calendar is incorrect this year. Thus the calendar rules have been changed from ancient times.
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Old 04-01-2016, 12:24 PM
 
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It still works because there are other scriptures where the 3rd day is not a full day but a part of a day. Other Bible accounts show that this expression can mean parts of three days and that part of one day can be considered a whole day. Gen 42:17, 18 1 Kings 12:5, 12. compare to Matthew 27:62-66; 28:1-6.

Jesus was dead on Nisan 14, 15 and 16. Raised on the third day, the 16th. If Jesus was raised on the 17th that would be 4 days. Yet the Bible doesn't say 4 days. He died and was buried on the Nisan 14. They posted a guard on Nisan 15 hoping to stop his followers from stealing the body. On Nisan 16 the guard was gone and the body was gone. There is no accounting for the mysterious missing day. So we either accept that three days and nights as parts of 3 days like other bible accounts or we don't. Because he was in the tomb on all three days including Nisan 14 (the afternoon before sunset), all of Nisan 15 and Nisan 16 (early morning only). God didn't wait for another 'night' to raise His Son because that would have been Nisan 17. Day four. The fact that the Jewish leaders asked for a guard on the 15th and not the 16th even they understood what day Jesus was supposed to return.


Matthew 28
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.[/LEFT]

-Matthew 28 shows the Sabbath ending and it was beginning to be the 1st day of the week. This is no different than saying now in modern times as Saturday was ending at 11:59pm and it begins to dawn on Sunday 12:00am, as Saturday ending at sunset and Sunday is beginning. The angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

Jesus died at 3pm and was placed in the grave right before sunset, since that was the start of unleavened bread, another Sabbath, so if he was placed in the tomb at 6pm that night, technically he could have been considered being placed in the grave Thursday and rose at 6pm when the Sabbath ended and it was the 1st day of the week on Sunday, he would have been in the grave a full 3 days and 3 nights.

Wed 6PM-Thur 6PM= 1 night/1day
Thur 6PM-Fri 6PM= 1 night/1day
Fri 6PM-Sat 6PM= 1 night/1day

So even if he was in the grave 3 full days and a few minutes, that doesnt make it 4 days if he Died on a Wed and if it wasnt a Full 3 Days, it still places his death on a Thursday

If Jesus wasnt referring to a full 3 days and 3 nights, the best would be a Thursday
(3 days)
14th Thursday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset 6pm
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave after the sun went down Saturday, so this is early on the 1st day of the week.
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