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Old 04-01-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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Matthew 28
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.[/LEFT]

-Matthew 28 shows the Sabbath ending and it was beginning to be the 1st day of the week. This is no different than saying now in modern times as Saturday was ending at 11:59pm and it begins to dawn on Sunday 12:00am, as Saturday ending at sunset and Sunday is beginning. The angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

Jesus died at 3pm and was placed in the grave right before sunset, since that was the start of unleavened bread, another Sabbath, so if he was placed in the tomb at 6pm that night, technically he could have been considered being placed in the grave Thursday and rose at 6pm when the Sabbath ended and it was the 1st day of the week on Sunday, he would have been in the grave a full 3 days and 3 nights.

Wed 6PM-Thur 6PM= 1 night/1day
Thur 6PM-Fri 6PM= 1 night/1day
Fri 6PM-Sat 6PM= 1 night/1day

So even if he was in the grave 3 full days and a few minutes, that doesnt make it 4 days if he Died on a Wed and if it wasnt a Full 3 Days, it still places his death on a Thursday

If Jesus wasnt referring to a full 3 days and 3 nights, the best would be a Thursday
(3 days)
14th Thursday Died @ 3PM and placed in grave right before sunset 6pm
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave after the sun went down Saturday, so this is early on the 1st day of the week.
But this formula isn't counting the first day (Thurs) as a day Jesus was dead. And apparently the Bible counts it as a whole day.

Matthew 27:59-61 (Day One)

"Joseph took the body, wrapped it up in clean, fine linen, 60 and laid it in his new tomb, which he had quarried in the rock. And after rolling a big stone to the entrance of the tomb, he left. 61 But Mary Magʹda·lene and the other Mary continued there, sitting before the grave."

Matthew 27:62-66 (Day Two)

62 The next day, which was after the Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together before Pilate, 63 saying: “Sir, we recall what that impostor said while he was still alive, ‘After three days I am to be raised up.’ 64 Therefore, command that the grave be made secure until the third day, so that his disciples may not come and steal him and say to the people, ‘He was raised up from the dead!’ Then this last deception will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them: “You may have a guard. Go make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the grave secure by sealing the stone and posting a guard."

Matthew 28 (Day Three)

28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

If a person believes these scriptures are correct then Jesus would have died on a Friday by our calendar of today. because the other formula has 4 days and there is no record of events of the mysterious 4th day in the Bible.

Like so many things, where Jesus being dead for three 24 hour days is not correct. Neither are the dates of the Easter holiday correct either. I mean, it's trying to fit lunisolar dates into a solar calendar and not have to keep up with two calendars.
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Like so many things, where Jesus being dead for three 24 hour days is not correct. Neither are the dates of the Easter holiday correct either. I mean, it's trying to fit lunisolar dates into a solar calendar and not have to keep up with two calendars.

Easter was specifically set in a way that it will never fall on Passover intentionally.
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Old 04-01-2016, 11:58 AM
 
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Easter was specifically set in a way that it will never fall on Passover intentionally.
Obviously....lol.
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Old 04-01-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Easter was specifically set in a way that it will never fall on Passover intentionally.
Much like all the other holidays, close to the right date but not exact. lol
I mean we all know the date for Christmas is wrong. Yet it seems accuracy is 2nd chair (maybe 3rd) to getting the gifts and candy.

(Sorry holidays to me are more about making a profit then honoring God's Son. This post is a symbolic over turning of the money tables.)
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Old 04-01-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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But this formula isn't counting the first day (Thurs) as a day Jesus was dead. And apparently the Bible counts it as a whole day.

Matthew 27:59-61 (Day One)

"Joseph took the body, wrapped it up in clean, fine linen, 60 and laid it in his new tomb, which he had quarried in the rock. And after rolling a big stone to the entrance of the tomb, he left. 61 But Mary Magʹda·lene and the other Mary continued there, sitting before the grave."

Matthew 27:62-66 (Day Two)

62 The next day, which was after the Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together before Pilate, 63 saying: “Sir, we recall what that impostor said while he was still alive, ‘After three days I am to be raised up.’ 64 Therefore, command that the grave be made secure until the third day, so that his disciples may not come and steal him and say to the people, ‘He was raised up from the dead!’ Then this last deception will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them: “You may have a guard. Go make it as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the grave secure by sealing the stone and posting a guard."

Matthew 28 (Day Three)

28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

If a person believes these scriptures are correct then Jesus would have died on a Friday by our calendar of today. because the other formula has 4 days and there is no record of events of the mysterious 4th day in the Bible.

Like so many things, where Jesus being dead for three 24 hour days is not correct. Neither are the dates of the Easter holiday correct either. I mean, it's trying to fit lunisolar dates into a solar calendar and not have to keep up with two calendars.
The only reason we believe Jesus died on a Friday is because is because it like many other teachings from Rome have been passed down for thousands of years like they are biblical truth, and we never really questioned them. We have been taught the lords supper replaced Passover and that is no where to be found in the bible or was taught by Jesus, And many believe Jesus was probably born Dec 25 too.

Alot Christians have little to no understanding of the OT, because they have been taught its irrelevant, so that leads to no understanding of biblical Feats Days also being Sabbaths as well, so the word high Sabbath means nothing other than seeing the word Sabbath and automatically assuming Saturday.

And what you listed still isnt 3 days because Jesus was buried right before sunset, so IF he did die on Friday @3pm and was placed in the tomb around sunset (6pm ish) like the bible says, then 24 hours later is 6pm sunset Saturday night and it is now about to be the 1st day of the week, thats when Matthew 28 said he rose as the Sabbath was ending. So modern Christianity teaching, is Jesus was in the tomb literally about 25 hours according to a Friday death @3pm, being placed in the tomb around sunset (6pm) and rising right after the sun went down on the Sabbath after 6pm and now Sunday early in the morning. And way you try to spin it Fri-Sun isnt 3 days 3nights or even 3 days and not even 2 days.

Like I said, alot of mental gymnastics is used to stretch Fri to Sun as 3 days.
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Old 04-01-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Much like all the other holidays, close to the right date but not exact. lol
I mean we all know the date for Christmas is wrong. Yet it seems accuracy is 2nd chair (maybe 3rd) to getting the gifts and candy.

(Sorry holidays to me are more about making a profit then honoring God's Son. This post is a symbolic over turning of the money tables.)
Jesus has 7 appointed days just for you, made just for man and he came walking as an example FOR YOU TO FOLLOW.


His death is not only appointed for an exact day, but an exact time just as his birth was appointed for an exact day and an exact hour.


He was brought under the covenant of circumcision on the exact appointed day of circumcision. He had to be killed at an exact hour, taken off the cross in an exact hour, put into a tomb on the exact day and hour, he had to go down into hell at an exact time and be resurrected in an exact day in an exact hour as being a firstfruit. His spirit was appointed to be given on an exact day and hour. His wedding day is appointed for an exact day and hour. His wedding banquet is appointed for an exact day and hour. The consummation of the wedding is appointed on an exact day and hour. The birth of his first sons is appointed for an exact day, the very day he was born himself, and his sons are appointed an exact day and hour to be circumcised on the great 8th day of circumcision.




There is no guessing when Jesus was appointed to be born just as there is not guessing that Jesus was appointed to be circumcised on Shemini Atzereth and it is truly a day of circumcision.




The 7 appointed visitation days are not guesses, they have been practiced in tradition for thousands of years, and the days and traditions teach EXACTLY what they are appointed for just as the traditions of Passover teach death and resurrection over and over and over BECAUSE it is appointed.


Passover teaches you to go out and bury the afikomen and then you resurrect it and all the feasts are this way, the traditions teach exactly what the days are appointed for and Jesus was appointed to be born on the 15th of Tishri, and not only that, the 15th of Tishri is the very day that all the sacrifices will happen again, it is the very day when the sons of Jesus are born.


What happened on Nisan 14 at Passover will happen again on Tishri 15th, when the sons will be born and then circumcised on Shemini Atzereth, the 8th day of circumcision.


The day Jesus was born.
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Old 04-01-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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The only reason we believe Jesus died on a Friday is because is because it like many other teachings from Rome have been passed down for thousands of years like they are biblical truth, and we never really questioned them. We have been taught the lords supper replaced Passover and that is no where to be found in the bible or was taught by Jesus, And many believe Jesus was probably born Dec 25 too.

Alot Christians have little to no understanding of the OT, because they have been taught its irrelevant, so that leads to no understanding of biblical Feats Days also being Sabbaths as well, so the word high Sabbath means nothing other than seeing the word Sabbath and automatically assuming Saturday.

And what you listed still isnt 3 days because Jesus was buried right before sunset, so IF he did die on Friday @3pm and was placed in the tomb around sunset (6pm ish) like the bible says, then 24 hours later is 6pm sunset Saturday night and it is now about to be the 1st day of the week, thats when Matthew 28 said he rose as the Sabbath was ending. So modern Christianity teaching, is Jesus was in the tomb literally about 25 hours according to a Friday death @3pm, being placed in the tomb around sunset (6pm) and rising right after the sun went down on the Sabbath after 6pm and now Sunday early in the morning. And way you try to spin it Fri-Sun isnt 3 days 3nights or even 3 days and not even 2 days.

Like I said, alot of mental gymnastics is used to stretch Fri to Sun as 3 days.
But you're still getting hung on the 24 hour thing.

Right before sunset is still Nisan 14. That still counts as a day. After sunset it's Nisan 15 or the Sabbath and the Sabbath ends the next day at sunset. If it doesn't then where in the Bible is the mystery extra day? There isn't one.

What you are kind of correct about is about the 'Friday' idea. Friday didn't exist then. However, 7 days did exist. Jesus died before the day before Sabbath (Mark 15:42) that why there was a rush to bury him. No work as you said. He was raised the day after the Sabbath. (Mark 16 chapter) There is no need for mental gymnastics. We just have to look at from the Bible's point of view as to what a 'day' is and dump the 24 hour day. One jump. Do we accept what the Bible says or not.

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Old 04-01-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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This is were part your sentence trails off into .....

Do you deny that those websites show that the Jewish Calendar today is not observed exactly as it used to be? In particular, leap year.

Do you know why the current calendar your using is wrong this year based on Exodus 12:2, Exodus 13:3-4, 7-10, and Numbers 9:2-3?

In 2016, Nisan 14 (Passover) fell on March 23, the first opportunity for the 14th day of a Biblical month to occur after the equinox. But the Jewish calendar sets Nisan 14 at April 22nd. Why? Because the Jewish year 5776 (the spring months of 2016 fall within the Jewish year 5776) happens to be the 19th year of the 19-year calendar cycle and is then, by Judaic definition, a leap year (the 13th month must be added). This forces the first month to begin one month later than it normally would. Unfortunately, their calendar leap year tradition is so rigid that they fail to follow what is the correct interpretation of the scriptures listed above, that God gave them, which strongly imply that the Passover must be kept at the first opportunity on or after the spring equinox.

The first full moon after the spring equinox. That was on March 23. The current Jewish Calendar is incorrect this year. Thus the calendar rules have been changed from ancient times.
Here...Educate yourself: When is Passover in 2016 and 2017? - Passover Dates - Passover
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Old 04-01-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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According to the Bible, the first full moon after the Spring Equinox is Passover. True or false?
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Old 04-01-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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But you're still getting hung on the 24 hour thing.

Right before sunset is still Nisan 14. That still counts as a day. After sunset it's Nisan 15 or the Sabbath and the Sabbath ends the next day at sunset. If it doesn't then where in the Bible is the mystery extra day? There isn't one.

What you are kind of correct about is about the 'Friday' idea. Friday didn't exist then. However, 7 days did exist. Jesus died before the day before Sabbath (Mark 15:42) that why there was a rush to bury him. No work as you said. He was raised the day after the Sabbath. (Mark 16 chapter) There is no need for mental gymnastics. We just have to look at from the Bible's point of view as to what a 'day' is and dump the 24 hour day. One jump. Accept what the Bible says or don't.

The reason why 24 hours is important is because the words out of Jesus own mouth was 3 days and 3 nights. Jesus knew a day was equal to 12 hrs.

John 11:9 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.


So if a day is 12 hours, a night will be 12 hours as well, and Jesus said the only sign he will give that he is the son of man is that he will be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights, we MUST fully assume that Jesus did mean 3 days and 3 nights.
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