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Old 03-28-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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Jesus brought us a complete new set of theology which only makes sense when you are humble and obedient. It's said Law is no longer effective in dealing with sins. Jesus said that people may find His words not sound because they'd like to stay in the darkness instead of in the light.

The reality is, even to the Jews, a prophet sent is usually killed but somehow the message brought will last.
Jesus was neither humble, nor obedient.
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Old 03-28-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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Jesus was neither humble, nor obedient.
That remains your own opinion. He's humble and obedient as long as God says so.
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Old 03-28-2016, 07:56 AM
 
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He was not really a common carpenter. Genetically he was a decedent of royalty. The Roman occupiers knew who he really was. He was hated because legally he had authority over the royal lands....it was a real estate dispute. Imagine that seventy years prior to the birth of Christ that his family and others of royal lineage were sent into exile...in other words the tribal leaders were put out of commission - in the mean time interlopers moved in. The people demanding his execution were motivated by material gain. The Romans facilitated the act of murderous expediency. Was he an out law? Yes. Because the law of the land during this period was Roman imperial law. It has always irked me that their are those who love to blurt "The Jews killed Christ"....not so.


The Roman occupiers were in control of the judiciary...law enforcement...the army and had the power to execute...I doubt very much that those who were portrayed as Jews were even Jews...but probably those who had internally displaced the locals....they wanted Jesus dead because he was the legal authority...so they appealed to the Romans to get rid of the guy. Jesus was legitimate.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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That remains your own opinion. He's humble and obedient as long as God says so.
Even if he actually isn't. but whatever God says is right, even if it isn't. Isn't that how it works?
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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He was not really a common carpenter. Genetically he was a decedent of royalty. The Roman occupiers knew who he really was. He was hated because legally he had authority over the royal lands....it was a real estate dispute. Imagine that seventy years prior to the birth of Christ that his family and others of royal lineage were sent into exile...in other words the tribal leaders were put out of commission - in the mean time interlopers moved in. The people demanding his execution were motivated by material gain. The Romans facilitated the act of murderous expediency. Was he an out law? Yes. Because the law of the land during this period was Roman imperial law. It has always irked me that their are those who love to blurt "The Jews killed Christ"....not so.


The Roman occupiers were in control of the judiciary...law enforcement...the army and had the power to execute...I doubt very much that those who were portrayed as Jews were even Jews...but probably those who had internally displaced the locals....they wanted Jesus dead because he was the legal authority...so they appealed to the Romans to get rid of the guy. Jesus was legitimate.
I certainly agree that it was the Romans did for Jesus and the Sadducees were simply part of the Roman administration, to whatever extent they were involved.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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Jesus was neither humble, nor obedient.
Fashioning a whip and attacking the banking system with full blown rage was neither humble...and not obedient to the standing monetary system during his time...He only insisted you pay taxes to keep the man from harassing you...kind of like tossing a vicious dog a bone to get rid of the thing. "Give what is Caesar's to Caesar's - give to God what belongs to God" to para phrase. Now if everything actually belongs to God...you give nothing to the state...The only reason he did suggest paying taxes was to "not cause them offence".....Charity should be done through free will...not forced. No this Jesus guy was shrewd.
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Was Jesus actually hated for his religious teachings that undermined the Pharisees, or was he wanted because he was a threat to the governing authorities?
If by the governing authorities you are referring to Rome - no. They didn't care.

He was a threat to the Pharisees and Sadducees.



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Jesus was neither humble, nor obedient.
Based on what?


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He was killed because His Teachings were far too liberal for the conservative religious leaders. They were the ones who made sure that He was killed. Even today, the conservatives, who CLAIM to be Christians actually HATE His Teachings because those Teachings are too liberal for their tastes. These people have mistakenly been taught that there is such a thing as "Conservative Christians". Since this is an oxymoron, there is no such thing. A person is either a conservative or he or she is a Christian. It is impossible to be both.

Pontius Pilate (the Roman government) could find no fault with Him. In other words, He didn't break any Roman laws.
Ultimately He was killed because it was on God's calendar.

From a human perspective, it's not a liberal or conservative issue. They were not interested in the true things of God. They were interested in themselves and their own power/status. It's not about political persuasions.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:31 AM
 
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Based on what?

Based on his actions.
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Old 03-28-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Yes, Jesus was humble. Although He had existed eternally as God, He did not hesitate to set aside His privileges as God and take the form of man, becoming true humanity (while still being God; [Jesus Christ in hypostatic union; the two natures of Jesus - His divine nature and His human nature in one person]) and submitting to the will of the Father by going to the cross to die for our sins, in our place, as our substitute.
Phil. 2:3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4] do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5] Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6] who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7] but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8] Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9] For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11] and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Though knowing Himself to be God, Jesus did not come to be served, but to serve.
Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
That is the humility of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Old 03-28-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Based on his actions.
You mean leaving heaven, and coming to earth to be mistreated and die for you?

Sounds pretty humbling to me.
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