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Old 04-06-2016, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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It is very effective. Millions of people around the globe are coming to Christ and it is happening in places where it wasn't happening before. Evangelicals are being very effective in spreading the Gospel.
Why don't any of the polls show it? Effectiveness is measurable. And guess what, all the polls are showing your own evangelicals are turning against your false testimony about who God is.

I am an evangelical reject despite repentance and conversion into a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ.

I, and others, are rejected by evangelicals for many of the following reasons:

We read theologians from all across the spectrum.
We know that living the truth is more important than defending it logically.
We don’t use the word inerrancy to describe biblical authority because its too rigid a definition and a
modernist categorical imposition on the Holy Spirit inspired Scriptures.
We think women should do anything BUT be silent in the church.
We think that postmodern philosophy helps theology more than it hurts it.
We have evangelicals constantly quoting Scripture about false prophets to us.
We believe social justice is central to the gospel of the Kingdom.
We think that African American Activists have valid points when it comes to justice issues.
We have gay friends.

Above all else we believe God’s love is always self-giving and others-empowering.

The question is why aren't you an evangelical reject?
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Old 04-07-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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Why don't any of the polls show it? Effectiveness is measurable. And guess what, all the polls are showing your own evangelicals are turning against your false testimony about who God is.

I am an evangelical reject despite repentance and conversion into a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ.

I, and others, are rejected by evangelicals for many of the following reasons:

We read theologians from all across the spectrum.
We know that living the truth is more important than defending it logically.
We don’t use the word inerrancy to describe biblical authority because its too rigid a definition and a
modernist categorical imposition on the Holy Spirit inspired Scriptures.
We think women should do anything BUT be silent in the church.
We think that postmodern philosophy helps theology more than it hurts it.
We have evangelicals constantly quoting Scripture about false prophets to us.
We believe social justice is central to the gospel of the Kingdom.
We think that African American Activists have valid points when it comes to justice issues.
We have gay friends.

Above all else we believe God’s love is always self-giving and others-empowering.

The question is why aren't you an evangelical reject?
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Old 04-07-2016, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I'm disgusted with Pharisaism which is what evangelical christianity turned into during my lifetime. You are a modern example, pounding the Bible about sin, and having no good news to offer anyone.
By the sounds of it you are disgusted with just about everything, but its nice you have found a group of people to blame for it.
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Old 04-07-2016, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Why don't any of the polls show it? Effectiveness is measurable. And guess what, all the polls are showing your own evangelicals are turning against your false testimony about who God is.
The global statistics show tens of millions of people coming to Christ.

The enemy is disgusted by this fact, and does not want people to know it, but it is true. Even in places like China, Iran and India people are coming to the light. Gods people are doing good work in spreading the Gospel, and the internet has been a great tool. Instead of admitting the good news, the enemy waves local polls from US and Europe and he shouts "look, look, people are leaving God, why don't you leave too".

You are working overtime trying to divide and demonize Gods servants, but won't work.

You are disgusted, because it is the fruit of your spirit.

The fruits of the Spirit of Christ are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

When you find those fruits you know you are following the right spirit. Until then you will remain on the wrong path.
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Old 04-07-2016, 04:10 AM
 
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The global statistics show tens of millions of people coming to Christ.

The enemy is disgusted by this fact, and does not want people to know it, but it is true. Even in places like China, Iran and India people are coming to the light. Gods people are doing good work in spreading the Gospel, and the internet has been a great tool. Instead of admitting the good news, the enemy waves local polls from US and Europe and he shouts "look, look, people are leaving God, why don't you leave too".

You are working overtime trying to divide and demonize Gods servants, but won't work.

You are disgusted, because it is the fruit of your spirit.

The fruits of the Spirit of Christ are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

When you find those fruits you know you are following the right spirit. Until then you will remain on the wrong path.
And yet NARROW is the gate and few are chosen is the evangelical mantra, but when they seek to "prove" that their religion is right, they immediately point to HUGE numbers of alleged converts...

So either it is TRUE what is written in the ancient book of myths that NOT MANY will make it (proportionally) or the book is a LIE and BILLIONS will walk through that NARROW gate...


"god's" servants do an excellent job of dividing themselves..consider the large number of evangelical leaders who have been caught with their hands (and other body parts like the Governor in Arkansas) in the honey pot...
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The global statistics show tens of millions of people coming to Christ.

The enemy is disgusted by this fact, and does not want people to know it, but it is true. Even in places like China, Iran and India people are coming to the light. Gods people are doing good work in spreading the Gospel, and the internet has been a great tool. Instead of admitting the good news, the enemy waves local polls from US and Europe and he shouts "look, look, people are leaving God, why don't you leave too".

You are working overtime trying to divide and demonize Gods servants, but won't work.

You are disgusted, because it is the fruit of your spirit.

The fruits of the Spirit of Christ are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

When you find those fruits you know you are following the right spirit. Until then you will remain on the wrong path.
The reason faith is not growing in America is because your brand of religion is offering no joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. In fact no one sees any difference in your brand of religion than those of the lost. You are immersed in the same kind of politics, the same sinfulness, the same everything that the world involves itself in. The one difference is that you go to church on Sundays.

Christianity Today even published an article about it a few years ago. Evangelicals divorce as much, they have the same percentage of wife beaters and teenaged pregnancies, and are as likely to become alcoholic. In short, their faith hasn't made any difference in the way they lead their lives. What I and others conclude is that is because Jesus isn't at the heart of the movement.

So go ahead and remain a part of something that means nothing.

The question remains, Why aren't you just as disgusted and a rejected evangelical?
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Old 04-07-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The reason faith is not growing in America is because your brand of religion is offering no joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. In fact no one sees any difference in your brand of religion than those of the lost. You are immersed in the same kind of politics, the same sinfulness, the same everything that the world involves itself in. The one difference is that you go to church on Sundays.

Christianity Today even published an article about it a few years ago. Evangelicals divorce as much, they have the same percentage of wife beaters and teenaged pregnancies, and are as likely to become alcoholic. In short, their faith hasn't made any difference in the way they lead their lives. What I and others conclude is that is because Jesus isn't at the heart of the movement.

So go ahead and remain a part of something that means nothing.

The question remains, Why aren't you just as disgusted and a rejected evangelical?
To back up my last full paragraph, here is the Christianity Today article (in part)
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---the renewal movement [evangelicals] was so confident of its beliefs and claims that it persuaded the nation's top political leader to have the government work more closely with religious social service organizations to solve the nation's horrendous social problems. Members of the renewal movement knew that miraculous moral transformation of character frequently happened when broken persons embraced the great religion. They also lobbied politicians to strengthen the traditional definition of marriage because their ancient texts taught that a lifelong covenant between a man and a woman was at the center of the Creator's design for the family.

Then the pollsters started conducting scientific polls of the general population. In spite of the renewal movement's proud claims to miraculous transformation, the polls showed that members of the movement divorced their spouses just as often as their secular neighbors. They beat their wives as often as their neighbors. They were almost as materialistic and even more racist than their pagan friends. The hard-core skeptics smiled in cynical amusement at this blatant hypocrisy. The general population was puzzled and disgusted. Many of the renewal movement's leaders simply stepped up the tempo of their now enormously successful, highly sophisticated promotional programs. Others wept.

This, alas, is roughly the situation of Western or at least American evangelicalism today.

Scandalous behavior is rapidly destroying American Christianity. By their daily activity, most "Christians" regularly commit treason. With their mouths they claim that Jesus is Lord, but with their actions they demonstrate allegiance to money, sex, and self-fulfillment.

The findings in numerous national polls conducted by highly respected pollsters like The Gallup Organization and The Barna Group are simply shocking. "Gallup and Barna," laments evangelical theologian Michael Horton, "hand us survey after survey demonstrating that evangelical Christians are as likely to embrace lifestyles every bit as hedonistic, materialistic, self-centered, and sexually immoral as the world in general." Divorce is more common among "born-again" Christians than in the general American population. Only 6 percent of evangelicals tithe. White evangelicals are the most likely people to object to neighbors of another race. Josh McDowell has pointed out that the sexual promiscuity of evangelical youth is only a little less outrageous than that of their nonevangelical peers.

Alan Wolfe, famous contemporary scholar and director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life, has just published a penetrating study of American religious life. Evangelicals figure prominently in his book. His evaluation? Today's evangelicalism, Wolfe says, exhibits "so strong a desire to copy the culture of hotel chains and popular music that it loses what religious distinctiveness it once had. Wolfe argues, "The truth is there is increasingly little difference between an essentially secular activity like the popular entertainment industry and the bring-'em-in-at-any-cost efforts of evangelical megachurches."

It is not surprising that George Barna concludes, "Every day, the church is becoming more like the world it allegedly seeks to change."
http://www3.dbu.edu/jeanhumphreys/So...elicalmind.htm

So evangelicalism has nothing to offer the world---because Jesus does not lie in it's heart.
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Old 04-07-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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It's amazing how much internal strife exists within the One True God's own religion. Why doesn't the One True God step in and tell his followers what "The Truth" is?
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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It's amazing how much internal strife exists within the One True God's own religion. Why doesn't the One True God step in and tell his followers what "The Truth" is?
Who amongst them would believe it?
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Old 04-07-2016, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The reason faith is not growing in America is because your brand of religion is offering no joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. In fact no one sees any difference in your brand of religion than those of the lost. You are immersed in the same kind of politics, the same sinfulness, the same everything that the world involves itself in. The one difference is that you go to church on Sundays.

Christianity Today even published an article about it a few years ago. Evangelicals divorce as much, they have the same percentage of wife beaters and teenaged pregnancies, and are as likely to become alcoholic. In short, their faith hasn't made any difference in the way they lead their lives. What I and others conclude is that is because Jesus isn't at the heart of the movement.
It is offering joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. You need to ask you yourself why you have disgust, while others have joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control.

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So go ahead and remain a part of something that means nothing.
It means nothing to you, but it means everything to the millions of people who are finding Christ around the world.

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The question remains, Why aren't you just as disgusted and a rejected evangelical?
Why would I be? I have joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control, and I won't let people like you replace that with disgust.

While you celebrate the few you have managed to lead astray, the angels celebrate the millions who have found the light.

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