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Old 04-07-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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As I previously said, sin is the issue. The problems in our world are merely the outflowing effects of sin. I hope we can all have a civil discussion that does not involve name calling or anger or crude remarks.
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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You must be new here. Peace
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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A post from another thread--



Quite a claim to make without any links?

But as always, there is an OPPOSING point of view--others who are not of this fold--who see the degradation of generational moral standards as emanating straight from the evangelical camp.


Years ago, this Evangelical wizardry was directed against divorce and remarriage, later the issue became blacks marrying whites, today it’s homosexuality and gay marriage. All with the same battle cry, “we are right, you are wrong; repent, turn to our Jesus, think, believe and behave like us, or pay the price.” This has been the underlying missional/discipleship philosophy and posture of Evangelical Christianity for decades. “You are lost, we are found, our job is to get you to our Jesus and “disciple” you to think, believe, and behave like us.” The world is our project, people are a notch on the “got saved” belt. Baptism is an initiation rite, and membership is the entry way into our club.

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Is Evangelical Christianity the Wizard behind the Curtain of America’s Moral and Spiritual Decline?

I would agree. Except that the word "Evangelical" should really be "Fundamentalist".

Hell fire and brimstone preaching, scapegoating and hyperpatriotism do not bring out the best in people. Ultra piety and wearing your religion on your sleeve, are some of the things Jesus was most emphatically against.

The most ironic thing to me is that the Bible Belt states have the highest percentage of divorce, teenage pregnancy, and a shameful history when it comes to race relations.

Funny thing is, "That Old Time Religion" is really not that old. While the Baptists have been around for quite a while The Southern Baptist church broke from the American Baptists over the issue of slavery (The American Baptists are not a fundamentalist sect) - the rest of these fundamentalist faiths began around the turn of the last century, in response to the "modernism" that was seeping in to American Protestant seminaries.

From my perspective, the fundamentalists have offered nothing to American culture or civilization.

A good book to read about this subject is http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/stea...clickid=3x3644
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Old 04-07-2016, 06:44 PM
 
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I would agree. Except that the word "Evangelical" should really be "Fundamentalist".

Hell fire and brimstone preaching, scapegoating and hyperpatriotism do not bring out the best in people. Ultra piety and wearing your religion on your sleeve, are some of the things Jesus was most emphatically against.

The most ironic thing to me is that the Bible Belt states have the highest percentage of divorce, teenage pregnancy, and a shameful history when it comes to race relations.

Funny thing is, "That Old Time Religion" is really not that old. While the Baptists have been around for quite a while The Southern Baptist church broke from the American Baptists over the issue of slavery (The American Baptists are not a fundamentalist sect) - the rest of these fundamentalist faiths began around the turn of the last century, in response to the "modernism" that was seeping in to American Protestant seminaries.

From my perspective, the fundamentalists have offered nothing to American culture or civilization.

A good book to read about this subject is Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer | 9780609802229 | Paperback | Barnes & Noble
Well your perspective is wrong. I'm not surprised the book is dirty cheap either.
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Old 04-07-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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I would agree. Except that the word "Evangelical" should really be "Fundamentalist".

Hell fire and brimstone preaching, scapegoating and hyperpatriotism do not bring out the best in people. Ultra piety and wearing your religion on your sleeve, are some of the things Jesus was most emphatically against.

The most ironic thing to me is that the Bible Belt states have the highest percentage of divorce, teenage pregnancy, and a shameful history when it comes to race relations.

Funny thing is, "That Old Time Religion" is really not that old. While the Baptists have been around for quite a while The Southern Baptist church broke from the American Baptists over the issue of slavery (The American Baptists are not a fundamentalist sect) - the rest of these fundamentalist faiths began around the turn of the last century, in response to the "modernism" that was seeping in to American Protestant seminaries.

From my perspective, the fundamentalists have offered nothing to American culture or civilization.

A good book to read about this subject is Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer | 9780609802229 | Paperback | Barnes & Noble
Evangelical fundamentalist?
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Old 04-07-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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As I previously said, sin is the issue. The problems in our world are merely the outflowing effects of sin. I hope we can all have a civil discussion that does not involve name calling or anger or crude remarks.
ROFLMAO...welcome to fundamentalism reality 101.

A quick review of a few 1000 posts will show that sin is a very subjective term. Some actually believe GREED, BIGOTRY, DISCRIMINATION and LUST are not really sins, at lest not like UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, SOUP KITCHENS, HOUSING THE HOMELESS, CLOTHING THE POOR, and whatever else is mentioned in the Beatitudes..those are so much worse that ANY sins like sleeping with your daughters, or having a bro-mance with your best friend Jonathon, or causing your wife to abort the child because the hubby thought she was unfaithful...

But, feel free to toss about any personal examples of sin and explanations as to why gittb is willing to punish the world now and not for some of the greatest tragedies in humanity's past...
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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It is offering joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. You need to ask you yourself why you have disgust, while others have joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control.

It means nothing to you, but it means everything to the millions of people who are finding Christ around the world.

Why would I be? I have joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control, and I won't let people like you replace that with disgust.

While you celebrate the few you have managed to lead astray, the angels celebrate the millions who have found the light.
You need to ask yourself why Jesus was so disgusted with the Pharisees, the most religious "bible-believers" of His day, that He called them vipers. It is exactly what evangelicals have become--and the rest of the nation sees it.

Before modern fundamentalism took control of several denominations, churches were growing, people were being saved in great numbers, and Christian people were more concerned with making sure everyone received Good News. Now the church of idolators has turned Christ into some kind of leader of a political party and is concerned about "Christian rights," which Jesus clearly indicated we have none.

Fundamentalism has destroyed faith in God and rests its laurels in Republican politics.

Yes,I am disgusted with how ugly it has become.

Again, you fail to respond to the question, Why aren't you a rejected evangelical. There is no joy in you. And your entire purpose on these threads, along with that of several other posters, is to take that joy away from others who need to know freedom in Christ, and to whine about your "rights" as Christians.

The facts are in the numbers---both belief in God and church attendance is falling in America. The American church is grayling. So failing to make any converts to this ugly religion you are going to Africa to subjugate innocent people to the same message of selectively hating people---in the name of God, of course.

If you were a truth seeker you would reach outside that denominational straight jacket and find alternate means of understanding Scripture. But, like the vast majority of fundamentalists, it is the community of other ignorant believers that you covet.

Walking the narrow path in America means there are plenty of times, some lasting for years, where Christ is one's sole companion. It takes a lot more faith than simply going to church to receive the glad hand by fellow self-deluders.
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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Well your perspective is wrong. I'm not surprised the book is dirty cheap either.
You've reached your decision without reading the book. Once again you have proven my claim that fundamentalists not only love being ignorant, they will go to great strides to stay ignorant.

I read books by both conservative and liberal authors because a truth seeker doesn't care where truth may be residing. It takes people who hate truth, and the Prince of Truth, to avoid enlightenment.

Faith in Christ demands a follower live the questions. Fundamentalism believes in forcing the answers.

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Old 04-07-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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The reason faith is not growing in America is because your brand of religion is offering no joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, nor self-control. In fact no one sees any difference in your brand of religion than those of the lost. You are immersed in the same kind of politics, the same sinfulness, the same everything that the world involves itself in. The one difference is that you go to church on Sundays.

Christianity Today even published an article about it a few years ago. Evangelicals divorce as much, they have the same percentage of wife beaters and teenaged pregnancies, and are as likely to become alcoholic. In short, their faith hasn't made any difference in the way they lead their lives. What I and others conclude is that is because Jesus isn't at the heart of the movement.

So go ahead and remain a part of something that means nothing.

The question remains, Why aren't you just as disgusted and a rejected evangelical?
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Old 04-07-2016, 08:43 PM
 
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I would agree. Except that the word "Evangelical" should really be "Fundamentalist".

Hell fire and brimstone preaching, scapegoating and hyperpatriotism do not bring out the best in people. Ultra piety and wearing your religion on your sleeve, are some of the things Jesus was most emphatically against.

The most ironic thing to me is that the Bible Belt states have the highest percentage of divorce, teenage pregnancy, and a shameful history when it comes to race relations.

Funny thing is, "That Old Time Religion" is really not that old. While the Baptists have been around for quite a while The Southern Baptist church broke from the American Baptists over the issue of slavery (The American Baptists are not a fundamentalist sect) - the rest of these fundamentalist faiths began around the turn of the last century, in response to the "modernism" that was seeping in to American Protestant seminaries.

From my perspective, the fundamentalists have offered nothing to American culture or civilization.

A good book to read about this subject is Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer | 9780609802229 | Paperback | Barnes & Noble
A companion book would be Saving Jesus from the Church, by Robin Meyers.

Too soon to rep you again, but
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