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Old 03-30-2016, 12:29 AM
 
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How Easter Killed My Faith in Atheism - Speakeasy - WSJ

Very good article about Easter.
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Old 03-30-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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What he's really talking about is the Passover and resurrection, not Easter, but good article anyway. A complete overnight transformation of me is what brought my family to see Him as real, also. Anyone can talk various beliefs about anything that have accrued over time, but only He can change you from the inside out, overnight. And all it takes is a simple HEARTFELT prayer. To Him be the glory....Peace
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Old 03-31-2016, 02:43 AM
 
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People who are intellectually honest who seek the Lord will find Him .
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Old 03-31-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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Actually, very bad. So is Lane -Craig's argument for the 'evidence' for the resurrection. I do concede that historians and Biblical scholars (even skeptical ones) have tended to support this by universally assuming that the resurrection account is reliable.

I think that has to change, and the reason is twofold:

(1) that the resurrection accounts are so contradictory that they have to be individual inventions. And that is why Mark doesn't have one.
(2) even if the accounts (woven together ) were regarded as credible, the story guarantees that there was a plan to get Jesus off the cross alive and smuggle him out of the tomb on Saturday night.

I know that Mike 555 protests that this would contradict the disciples apparently believing that Jesus had resurrected, but that is easily enough explained.

P.s. As is often the case with those professing to have converted from some kind of Thinking atheism, Strobel doesn't actually seem to understand the atheist case as he talks of 'Faith in atheism'. There is nothing to have faith in, other than that the religious case does not add up. If he is convinced that it does he ought then to say that he was persuaded of the case for belief in the Bible, Jesus and God. Still, it's a minor point.

Happy chocolate bunny -fest.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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People who are intellectually honest who seek the Lord will find Him .
I agreed. We see atheists here over and over demand evidence. That's not seeking God. That's being defiant with your arms crossed and saying, "Ok God, convince me!" Miracles and supernatural events are out there happening every day. One only has to go seek it out to find out if something extraordinary is really going on here.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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And yet Jesus didn't disparage or scold doubting Thomas, so why would you disparage an atheist who simply wants proof before believing?
Because Thomas still had a heart for God. Atheists don't. Their hatred of God is bubbling just below the surface.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:37 AM
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Because Thomas still had a heart for God. Atheists don't. Their hatred of God is bubbling just below the surface.
You've been corrected a hundred times jeffy - at least. Do you allow ANYTHING that isn't in the bible to sink into your cranium?

Atheists don't hate what they don't believe exists.

Do you hate leprechauns?

Atheists (and most believers) hate what fundamentalists do, and want to do, in the name of their particular god.

Your god is a cartoon character to me. A blustering, childish, narcissistic - but also murderously psychotic - Foghorn Leghorn.

But I take issue not with the cartoon - but with the mean-spirited, narrow-minded fundamentalists who worship it.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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People who are intellectually honest who seek the Lord will find Him .
one word. "honest". It changes everything on both sides. We find something, that is true enough. But it doesn't have to be "the lord", meaning a christian type one. It just might be the one that does exist.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Because Thomas still had a heart for God. Atheists don't. Their hatred of God is bubbling just below the surface.
there are becoming more and more that are not this. Soon there will be enough regular atheist to draw over the abused child that grows up and the ex-fundy that does understands that "fundy" is a personality type not a belief statement.

how about you guys police your fundyz and we will ours?
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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Actually, very bad. So is Lane -Craig's argument for the 'evidence' for the resurrection. I do concede that historians and Biblical scholars (even skeptical ones) have tended to support this by universally assuming that the resurrection account is reliable.

I think that has to change, and the reason is twofold:

(1) that the resurrection accounts are so contradictory that they have to be individual inventions. And that is why Mark doesn't have one.
Mark does have the resurrection of Christ from the dead.

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(2) even if the accounts (woven together ) were regarded as credible, the story guarantees that there was a plan to get Jesus off the cross alive and smuggle him out of the tomb on Saturday night.
False and unprovable.

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I know that Mike 555 protests that this would contradict the disciples apparently believing that Jesus had resurrected, but that is easily enough explained.
Easy to explain but impossible for you to verify.

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P.s. As is often the case with those professing to have converted from some kind of Thinking atheism, Strobel doesn't actually seem to understand the atheist case as he talks of 'Faith in atheism'. There is nothing to have faith in, other than that the religious case does not add up. If he is convinced that it does he ought then to say that he was persuaded of the case for belief in the Bible, Jesus and God. Still, it's a minor point.

Happy chocolate bunny -fest.
Whatever.
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