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Tony, the only thing . . . the ONLY thing ''taking people to hell'' is not placing their faith in Jesus Christ who made salvation possible by means of His finished redemptive work on the cross in which He died for our sins, in our place, as our substitute.
Celebrating Easter is not taking anyone to hell. Nor is wearing jewelry, or going to the beach where the girls are, or dancing, or anything else.
Tony, the only thing . . . the ONLY thing ''taking people to hell'' is not placing their faith in Jesus Christ who made salvation possible by means of His finished redemptive work on the cross in which He died for our sins, in our place, as our substitute.
Celebrating Easter is not taking anyone to hell. Nor is wearing jewelry, or going to the beach where the girls are, or dancing, or anything else.
I agree with the second half of your statement.
The first half is a mindset of bogus religiosity.
I agree with the second half of your statement. The first half is a mindset of bogus religiosity.
I think hell is very misunderstood, the more Jewish idioms and ancient concepts I learn keep changing my ideas of Satan and hell. The worm that never dies is the seed of the feast of Tabernacles. There are 3 harvests, 3 seeds, and it is from level to level. The last seed is the very smallest of all, but even though it is the smallest, it can grown into the biggest harvest of all. You die daily in Passover for so many years and then you excel to Pentecost where an awakening takes place and you have become wheat and gathered in a different barn, then you move from one season to the next in the fall. So you are given the last seed, the smallest of seed, but this seed doesn't produce barley like a weed, and this seed doesn't produce wheat for the bread, this smallest of seed actually becomes a great and mighty tree amongst fields of barley and wheat. Fields of barley and wheat as far as the eye can see but look,'' I see a great tree in the distance with shade. You go to the tree and under his shade is wonderful fruit and comfort. All the animals come to eat and it yields it's fruit every months, even 12 different kinds with great oil from olives and wine from figs.
The birds come and make their nests and the beasts sleep in it's shade.
One year during the barley harvest, the barley cried out and said, why do we have to be cut down so, and why do we have to be taken, killed and replanted so many times and this tree will not even give us shade?
Then the wheat harvest came and they also cried out saying,'' Why does this tree hover over us like a great king with all his companions and they love him so much that they prefer his fruit over our bread? Why are we so tortured, beaten and sifted
Then one year in an time when tigers used to smoke, it was during the fruit harvest when a windstorm came and shook the tree and the figs fell here and there, and he answered what the barley had said, and what the wheat had said, saying,'' O barley, and the few of you wheat you remain, you were also given a seed and you took your seed and put it in a box and you never prayed for the rain, why would you not pray for the rain? Now your seed will never die because you received no rain so it should die and bear fruit, you yourself refused to pray for the rain in due season and behold,'' The fruit harvest has come and now your seed will never die, never die, the worm of your seed will live forever, it will never receive rain and never die so that it could bear fruit, but look at the great vines of the garden, the grape harvest has come and you will weep and gnash your teeth when the water is been turned to blood.''
If the rain does not fall on the seed of the fruit harvest, it's worm will never die, and people are given over to Satan for sifted, and this is a helper.
5When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come." I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine."
In those day there will be walking olive trees and vines will cross oceans.
Just different sections of heaven.
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Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert; and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves.
Woe to the teachers of their own law(s), who cannot rightly separate truth from fiction.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you traverse the sea and the dry land to make one convert; and whenever it may happen, you make him twofold more a son of Gehenna than yourselves.
Woe to the teachers of their own law(s), who cannot rightly separate truth from fiction.
The sea is the key secret there, but what it says is true. Jesus came as the mediator of the covenant. He should have found a male and a female in order to marry the two, Israel was symbolically the male, and every Jew was to go out and form his on congregation like it says,'' Ten men from every nation will grasp the sleeve of a Jew.''
A priest is a lamb who stands in the stead of the first born, and every first born must have the name of his own personal preist to stand in his stead but there wasn't enough priests to go around so you had to pay the temple tax, priest were not shared, and they could only stand for one first born.
Then this evolved in the prophets to ten men, and even the Talmud evolves it with expansion saying thousands for each corner of the garment, each Jew would have tens of thousands he redeemed as his legal congregation HIS TEN VIRGINS.
Gentiles are considered the first born son, and each son must have the name of a priest who has stood exactly as a Passover lamb for each first born as Moses prescribed.
Any priest could have said,'' Eat of my flesh,'' because you eat a Passover lamb, and Moses put them in that place to symbolize the first lamb.
So Jesus is coming to officiate a wedding after thousands of years, and he comes to find a nation of priests by which every single one should have 144,000 brides they have betrothed to themselves and to God in a symbolic manner just as even Paul had done when he said they were his children till Christ is formed in them.
So Jesus came, and OMG, where are all the gentiles who are supposed to be one with Jews?
Why haven't all the Jews went out and symbolically redeemed their thousands.
And so by his own arm, he came as a Jew himself and he did what others would not.
Now we are betrothed to a Jew who was willing, and he didn't make us jump through hoops to be his betrothed, there is no red tape, the door is open wide because a Jew had enough compassion to redeem the dogs most Jews wouldn't throw crumbs to.
The sea is the key secret there, but what it says is true. Jesus came as the mediator of the covenant. He should have found a male and a female in order to marry the two, Israel was symbolically the male, and every Jew was to go out and form his on congregation like it says,'' Ten men from every nation will grasp the sleeve of a Jew.''
A priest is a lamb who stands in the stead of the first born, and every first born must have the name of his own personal preist to stand in his stead but there wasn't enough priests to go around so you had to pay the temple tax, priest were not shared, and they could only stand for one first born.
Then this evolved in the prophets to ten men, and even the Talmud evolves it with expansion saying thousands for each corner of the garment, each Jew would have tens of thousands he redeemed as his legal congregation HIS TEN VIRGINS.
Gentiles are considered the first born son, and each son must have the name of a priest who has stood exactly as a Passover lamb for each first born as Moses prescribed.
Any priest could have said,'' Eat of my flesh,'' because you eat a Passover lamb, and Moses put them in that place to symbolize the first lamb.
So Jesus is coming to officiate a wedding after thousands of years, and he comes to find a nation of priests by which every single one should have 144,000 brides they have betrothed to themselves and to God in a symbolic manner just as even Paul had done when he said they were his children till Christ is formed in them.
So Jesus came, and OMG, where are all the gentiles who are supposed to be one with Jews?
Why haven't all the Jews went out and symbolically redeemed their thousands.
And so by his own arm, he came as a Jew himself and he did what others would not.
Now we are betrothed to a Jew who was willing, and he didn't make us jump through hoops to be his betrothed, there is no red tape, the door is open wide because a Jew had enough compassion to redeem the dogs most Jews wouldn't throw crumbs to.
Sorry Jerwade,
just rambling today.
I have learned to read between the lines, and an apology is unnecessary.
Tony, the only thing . . . the ONLY thing ''taking people to hell'' is not placing their faith in Jesus Christ who made salvation possible by means of His finished redemptive work on the cross in which He died for our sins, in our place, as our substitute.
Celebrating Easter is not taking anyone to hell. Nor is wearing jewelry, or going to the beach where the girls are, or dancing, or anything else.
Faith in God come by HOW ?
Romans 10:17
When did faith in God become cross atonement confession for salvation only ? Romans 6:1
When did faith in God become confessing Jesus as savior only ? Matthew 7:21-24
When did loving like Jesus become Christianity only ? 2 Cor. 6
When did loving like Jesus become Christianity 101 enough ? Titus 3:10
When did being nice make you a Christian only ? 2 Thess. 3:10
When did being nice make you a Christian only ? Amos 3:3
When did common sense explain Christianity enough ? Jeremiah 10:23
When did common sense explain Christianity enough ever ? John 5:39
When did animals take away John 3:5 too ?
When did circumcision take away 1 Peter 3:3 ?
When did expired legalism rule out 2 Timothy 3:16 ?
When did liberalism ban 2 Peter 1:20-21 ?
What professional in God not real with Matthew 5:17-20 ?
What champion in God waiving off John 8:31 ?
Who ahead of God to dump 2 Timothy 2:15 ?
What grammar pro can resist Revelation 22:18-19 ?
What holiday expert can be too naïve for John 4:24 ?
What marriage teacher in God can write off Romans 7:2-3 ?
What unity leader in God can back off of Amos 3:3 ?
What people person for God can detour from Ephesians 4:5 and promote 50 faiths in Jesus ?
What hero in God know what they doing if they take Matthew 10:34-37 lightly ?
Another list Tony? Is that the only way you know how to express yourself?
Salvation from the penalty of sin - eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is by simply placing your faith in Christ Jesus. The moment anyone simply recognizes that he can do nothing to earn or deserve eternal life, and therefore places his trust in Christ Jesus for eternal life he is eternally saved and eternally secure.
Salvation from the power of sin in the life of the eternally saved believer comes with spiritual growth. This demands constant decisions on the part of the believer to learn and apply the word of God to his life. This is the aspect of salvation that requires obedience and persistence on the part of the believer. It has nothing at all to do with salvation from the penalty of sin.
Salvation from the presence of sin comes at the point of physical death when the believer leaves behind his old sin nature and enters into the presence of God in heaven.
Eternal life in the sense of entering into an eternal relationship with God is a free gift Tony. It is freely offered and freely received. An offered gift must still be received, and the means of receiving the offered gift is simply by ceasing from your own efforts to earn eternal life and instead, simply trust in the finished redemptive work on the cross that Jesus did on your behalf.
Jesus told the Samaritan woman that all she had to do to receive the gift of God - the water springing up to eternal life, was to ask, and it would be given to her (John 4:7-14).
Jesus told the crowd who had asked what the works of God were that they might do them to obtain eternal life that the ONLY work was to believe on Him (John 6:27-29).
A distinction must be made between what is necessary to obtain eternal life - one simple act of faith in Jesus Christ, and what is necessary to be a faithful disciple - continued spiritual growth and obedience. They are two different things.
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