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Adam eat from the tree of life and as the result lived for 900 years and then he died and his soul died ....Actually he was a son of God , as God had a plan were these sons of God would live long lives until Noah came and God changed his plan and then these sons of God only live 120 years or less ........ Still Adam spirit would be still alive today , but with out a soul God would be appalled to visit his spirit
Eph. 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2] in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3]Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
To whom is Paul writing? He is writing to people who are physically alive, but who Paul said were at one time dead in their sins, and have been made alive. Since those who Paul is addressing are physically alive, the death of which Paul speaks is not physical death but is a different category of death. The death of which Paul speaks is spiritual death. Spiritual death is separation from God.
When Adam and the woman disobeyed God and ate the fruit they immediately died spiritually. That is, their relationship with God had been broken. That is why they both tried to hide from God after having eaten the fruit. They could do nothing about their now fallen condition and could only attempt to hide from God. But in grace, God came to them and gave them the Gospel message by which they could be saved or delivered from their fallen state.
There is no contradiction here. Physical death is the result of spiritual death. But spiritual death was the immediate result of Adam's disobedience.
Was it not made clear in my other post that there are various categories of death?
That doesn't help. Whatever the means by which a (presumably) immortal Adam became mortal (and God had to have set it up, whichever way you argue it) Adam would only die after a very long time and not on the spot as is implied.
That still doesn't address the question of how the first pair even knew what they were being threatened with. It sorta suggests that everything else died and Adam was familiar with it. Death didn't come into the world with the Fall. It was there from the first - as the Archaeological record indicates: There are no examples of T Rex with herbivores' molars.
The punishments dished out to Adam does condemn him to returning to dust, but the point seems to be more that he will have to sweat. There is no "I warned you you would die and so you shall...after a really long lifetime in which you shall work your butt off." It's like the death is already in place and the hard work is the punishment.
So, yes, you can say that Adam knew what death was and the serpent was telling them that they wouldn't become mortal for disobeying God. But that makes no sense. If God had said that the punishment for disobeying him was loss of immortality, how could they ever have got the idea that God couldn't or wouldn't do it?
It really has to be a threat that they will drop dead on the spot, and that didn't happen, but their wising -up did, just as the serpent said.
So again it looks like the serpent told the truth, and God lied.
Adam eat from the tree of life and as the result lived for 900 years and then he died and his soul died ....
What's your evidence of this?
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