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Old 04-03-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
Notice twice he says the truth is not in those who say they have no sin. But Jesus said those who speak the truth seek God's glory and have no unrighteousness which equals sinless.

Do you believe Jesus?
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Old 04-03-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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No one is righteous in God's sight apart from having received the imputed righteousness of Jesus through faith in Him, as Paul makes so very clear in Romans chapters 3-5.

And as Jesus Himself said,
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Jesus wasn't denying that He was God, but was trying to get the man to whom He was speaking to think about what he was saying.
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You will sin for as long as you live. That applies to everyone.
Jesus also did not imply that he was God, and neither are you?
If you continue to miss the mark that's your problem, not mine.

And there is no mystical imputation or transference of character.

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Old 04-03-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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Jesus also did not imply that he was God, and neither are you?
If you continue to miss the mark that's your problem, not mine.

And there is no mystical imputation or transference of character.
Jesus throughout His ministry did indeed imply that He was God.

And if you think that you don't sin, then you are guilty of arrogance which is one of the worst sins.
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Old 04-03-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Jesus throughout His ministry did indeed imply that He was God.

And if you think that you don't sin, then you are guilty of arrogance which is one of the worst sins.

I once told a fib as a small boy, but was corrected.

A tad-bit prideful, aren't we?
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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Notice twice he says the truth is not in those who say they have no sin. But Jesus said those who speak the truth seek God's glory and have no unrighteousness which equals sinless.

Do you believe Jesus?

The problem with your interpretation is (and there is more than one), you can quote the Word exclusively all day, every day, for the rest of your life, even personalize it to yourself (which is not a bad thing in context of head and body) and you STILL won't be sinless.

Additionally, because the tabernacle is the pattern, and because we are only in the DAWNING of the 7th day of that pattern, and because of that Yom Kippur has not been reached yet either spiritually or chronologically, NO ONE IS SIN FREE yet but Yeshua. The first feast's sacrifices of blood only covered over the sins, but on Yom Kippur the sins were actually REMOVED.

We MUST make all things according to the pattern given on the Mount, period. Peace
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
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Notice twice he says the truth is not in those who say they have no sin. But Jesus said those who speak the truth seek God's glory and have no unrighteousness which equals sinless.

Do you believe Jesus?
It seems that you don't believe Jesus. Again, Jesus said that no one is good but God. This means that the only way to be righteous in God's sight is to be credited with the righteousness of Jesus through faith in Him. The imperfect and relative righteousness of man simply can not measure up to God's perfect standard.

You certainly do not speak the truth since you deny that Jesus died for your sins and paid the penalty for them and think that your own righteousness can save you. No, you are not sinless.
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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The problem with your interpretation is (and there is more than one), you can quote the Word exclusively all day, every day, for the rest of your life, even personalize it to yourself (which is not a bad thing in context of head and body) and you STILL won't be sinless.

Additionally, because the tabernacle is the pattern, and because we are only in the DAWNING of the 7th day of that pattern, and because of that Yom Kippur has not been reached yet either spiritually or chronologically, NO ONE IS SIN FREE yet but Yeshua. The first feast's sacrifices of blood only covered over the sins, but on Yom Kippur the sins were actually REMOVED.

We MUST make all things according to the pattern given on the Mount, period. Peace
Sin free implies that you have never missed the mark.
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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It seems that you don't believe Jesus. Again, Jesus said that no one is good but God. This means that the only way to be righteous in God's sight is to be credited with the righteousness of Jesus through faith in Him. The imperfect and relative righteousness of man simply can not measure up to God's perfect standard.

You certainly do not speak the truth since you deny that Jesus died for your sins and paid the penalty for them and think that your own righteousness can save you. No, you are not sinless.
You continue to "miss the mark" with your Penal Substitution theories.
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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Sin free implies that you have never missed the mark.

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord IMPUTES no sin. Here's a truth. He doesn't not impute it because it's not there (according to the law as generated by the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life), but because it's been covered over just as the mercy seat covered over the tablets of the law that brought death to them when the seat was removed. It's the giving of the white stone (Word with death covered over). Peace
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Old 04-03-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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Blessed is the man to whom the Lord IMPUTES no sin. Here's a truth. He doesn't not impute it because it's not there (according to the law as generated by the lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life), but because it's been covered over just as the mercy seat covered over the tablets of the law that brought death to them when the seat was removed. It's the giving of the white stone (Word with death covered over). Peace
He who overcomes, I will give to him to sit down with me on my throne.
As I also overcame, and sat down with my Father on his throne.

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