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Old 04-05-2016, 06:00 PM
 
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Isaiah 41:8 God's servant Abraham God's friend

2nd Chronicles 20:7 B ...Abraham God's friend forever.

James 2:23 ...he ( Abraham ) was called the friend of God.
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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No, it is the works that are the belief. Mainstream Christianity thinks faith and belief begets the Holy Spirit. But it is the works of God done by the son/child of light that makes the spirit holy.

When Jesus said that those who believe in Him will do the works He did He was describing belief in Him. That is , how to believe in Him. Doing His works shows Him you believe in Him.
Look at the construction of your sentence in the second paragraph. The believing is present tense. "will do the works" is future. Your second sentence is correct. Doing works SHOWS internal belief.

The thief on the cross did nothing... yet Christ said he would be in paradise.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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Have you really been studying the Bible all this time and you still don't know that
"Repenting" is the only way to pass the devil's tests?
That's pretty much the whole point of the Bible.

I'm seriously worried about you peace giver
Job didn't need to repent. Though Satan made him suffer he kept his integrity.

Wake up.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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i really am worried about you.
you seem to be missing the whole point of the book of job and indeed of the whole bible

Then Job answered the Lord: 2 “I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted;
3 you asked,
‘Who is this who darkens counsel
without knowledge?’
But I have declared without understanding
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 You said,
‘Pay attention, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you will answer me.’
5 I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye has seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself,
and I repent in dust and ashes!
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Look at the construction of your sentence in the second paragraph. The believing is present tense. "will do the works" is future. Your second sentence is correct. Doing works SHOWS internal belief.

The thief on the cross did nothing... yet Christ said he would be in paradise.
Your reaching now. Believing is doing the works of God. Anyone who acts in truth comes to the light so his deeds are revealed as works of God.

The thief did not get a pass. Jesus used vailed speech which you do not understand. No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above. The thief was not born from above. No pass.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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i really am worried about you.
you seem to be missing the whole point of the book of job and indeed of the whole bible

Then Job answered the Lord: 2 “I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted;
3 you asked,
‘Who is this who darkens counsel
without knowledge?’
But I have declared without understanding
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 You said,
‘Pay attention, and I will speak;
I will question you, and you will answer me.’
5 I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye has seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself,
and I repent in dust and ashes!
One does not repent in dust and ashes. The word repent should be translated as mourn or to be sorry. Look it up. The righteous have no need for repentance because they had already repented to become righteous.

The point of this thread is that one can be righteous apart from the death and resurrection of Jesus.

No one gets imputed righteousness.
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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One can indeed be right-minded as indeed job was.
But that right-mindedness wont pass the devils tests

Only repentance will pass the devils tests
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:55 PM
 
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to repent means to be sorry

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Read the sign



and no new taxes
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:05 PM
 
Location: US
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to repent means to be sorry
No, repent does not mean to be sorry...
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:08 PM
 
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repent

The verb repent means "to feel sorry for something you've done." When you repent, you acknowledge what you did and vow to change your ways.
The word repent comes from the Old French word repentir, which means, "to feel regret for sins or crimes." If you cheat on an exam in school, and feel guilty afterwards, you might repent for your bad behavior by confessing to your teacher. The verb repent is often used in a religious context: when you repent, you try to make up for what you've done, promise to avoid sin in the future and devote yourself to God.
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