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Old 04-16-2016, 10:44 PM
 
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Even the book canon (most often) has a letter by Paul (who didn't have a New Testament either) explicitly stating that the spirit gives life but that the letter kills. And Paul often rails against his more conservative counterparts that are more violence and literal-interpretation prone, so when he says that all scripture is useful for studying, chastising, correcting, and educating... he probably doesn't mean that it is useful for memorizing without question and holding strongest faith in what ever version you happen to first get or shop-around for and agree with. ... When he says that with "scripture" you can become truly perfected for all good works, he doesn't mean that since he didn't have a New Testament he wasn't as perfect as Christians today that do, nor that Math and Science aren't part of "all good works".
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Old 04-17-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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Here is my solution--
When I read a passage, and want to be sure I get the TRUE meaning from God--I consider other passages that might relate--then I ask Him for wisdom and what He wants me to focus on and that answers any question I may have related to the reading..
You seem to forget the major criterion for wisdom.

James 1:5-8
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, 8 being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

How will this wisdom come to us so we know it is true???

James 3:17
"But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy."

That is the standard of judgment you are to use. It is echoed in 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5 and the Sermon on the Mount. Anything that is NOT compatible with or consistent with those adjectives is NOT wisdom and NOT from God or Jesus.
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Then you have nothing to check the results against? No standard of judgement but apparently contradictory passages from scripture?
Amen. He ignores the most important part of the process of gaining wisdom - the Spirit of agape love (Who IS God).
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jimmiej - Don't waste your time... Nate is obviously OK with throwing darts at paper as z-man suggested.
Also - the fact that he read your post said there is no one with which to check results... that tells you who is NOT in his life.
Still lying and misrepresenting what you are told in blind acceptance of the Bible as the 100% inerrant word of God instead of Jesus and the Holy Spirit (Comforter). There is no dart throwing and nate HAS told you how to check your results but you ignore him because you don't think you are supposed to test the Spirit of anything. You blindly accept everything no matter how contradictory or insconsistent it is. That is a form of hypocrisy.
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Old 04-17-2016, 06:53 PM
 
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You seem to forget the major criterion for wisdom.

James 1:5-8
5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, 8 being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.

How will this wisdom come to us so we know it is true???

James 3:17
"But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy."

That is the standard of judgment you are to use. It is echoed in 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5 and the Sermon on the Mount. Anything that is NOT compatible with or consistent with those adjectives is NOT wisdom and NOT from God or Jesus.

Amen. He ignores the most important part of the process of gaining wisdom - the Spirit of agape love (Who IS God).
Still lying and misrepresenting what you are told in blind acceptance of the Bible as the 100% inerrant word of God instead of Jesus and the Holy Spirit (Comforter). There is no dart throwing and nate HAS told you how to check your results but you ignore him because you don't think you are supposed to test the Spirit of anything. You blindly accept everything no matter how contradictory or insconsistent it is. That is a form of hypocrisy.
Let us not forget: if the mountains don't dance by your faith, then none of you have faith more than a mustard seed in an ocean of doubt

But be warned: with any Faith (e.g. "real belief," "strongly loyalty," "unyielding hope," etc), any one(s) can believe unwaveringly that they have any True Wisdom. And then they will be sure to act according to such self-ignorace.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:49 AM
 
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How does a Bible believer do this?

How do you as a Bible believer determine that a particular verse was inspired by God?

How do you know which books were intended (by God) to be included in the Bible? How do you confirm that they were not altered from their original writing?
"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."
- 2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is inspired by God. Not some of it or part of it. All of it.

The truth is that men and women choose which part they will take to their hearts and which part they will not. Personal bias acts like a filter, yet this does not diminish the source of the Word - GOD.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
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Old 04-18-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Still nobody answering!

If the bible is inspired by the Hebrew war god Yahweh, what happens about all the passages that were thrown out?
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."
- 2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is inspired by God. Not some of it or part of it. All of it.

The truth is that men and women choose which part they will take to their hearts and which part they will not. Personal bias acts like a filter, yet this does not diminish the source of the Word - GOD.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
You tell em choir loft, set these heretics straight.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right."
- 2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is inspired by God. Not some of it or part of it. All of it.

The truth is that men and women choose which part they will take to their hearts and which part they will not. Personal bias acts like a filter, yet this does not diminish the source of the Word - GOD.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft.....
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You tell em choir loft, set these heretics straight.
Ah, 2 Timothy 3:16. The bedrock of all fundamentalist theology.

Which scripture is inspired? That's what the op is asking. How do we know which scripture is God Breathed(tm) and which is not?

What about the Quran, which 1.6 billion Muslims believe to be inspired by their God? Surely, 1.6 billion people can't be wrong!
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Still nobody answering!

If the bible is inspired by the Hebrew war god Yahweh, what happens about all the passages that were thrown out?
Anyone?
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Old 04-21-2016, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Well....obviously not. Awkward questions are best ignored huh folks?
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Old 04-21-2016, 04:37 AM
 
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Still nobody answering!

If the bible is inspired by the Hebrew war god Yahweh, what happens about all the passages that were thrown out?
The war god Yahweh's children threw them out.
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