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Old 04-12-2016, 12:51 PM
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Our best works are not enough to earn salvation from our sins. For that, we must believe on the redemptive work of Christ, by faith. Then, do good unto others.
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Old 04-12-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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We should look at it like scripture teaches:


There's works of the flesh, and fruit of the spirit.
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Old 04-12-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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I wonder how many people understand the importance of the issue involved? Eternal life is offered ONLY as a free gift. You cannot earn it by your own efforts. It is offered by grace through faith alone in Christ Jesus. If in the thinking of the one responding to the gospel message he thinks he must add works to faith in order to be saved, then he has not placed his faith in Christ Alone for eternal life, but on both Jesus and his own works, making it a joint effort, and therefore he has not been saved, but remains under condemnation. It must be clear in the mind of the one responding to the gospel that you must rely entirely and completely on the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross. That is the way in which you take possession of the free gift of eternal life.

Do works as a believer who has already been eternally saved by grace though faith in Christ Jesus. But don't in your thinking try to earn eternal life by your works. Your works are not a part of the gospel message of salvation.
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Old 04-13-2016, 04:54 AM
 
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Exactly Mike - worthy is the Lamb...and me!
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Old 04-13-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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Our best works are not enough to earn salvation from our sins. For that, we must believe on the redemptive work of Christ, by faith. Then, do good unto others.
NOTHING we do, including your belief nonsense, has anything to do with our salvation. I repeat: We have nothing to do with our salvation. It is ALL Jesus.
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I wonder how many people understand the importance of the issue involved? Eternal life is offered ONLY as a free gift. You cannot earn it by your own efforts. It is offered by grace through faith alone in Christ Jesus. If in the thinking of the one responding to the gospel message he thinks he must add works to faith in order to be saved, then he has not placed his faith in Christ Alone for eternal life, but on both Jesus and his own works, making it a joint effort, and therefore he has not been saved, but remains under condemnation. It must be clear in the mind of the one responding to the gospel that you must rely entirely and completely on the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross. That is the way in which you take possession of the free gift of eternal life.
Our salvation was NOT OFFERED, it was accomplished. It is finished and WE have nothing to do with it. You and your mentors have created this OFFER nonsense.
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Old 04-13-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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NOTHING we do, including your belief nonsense, has anything to do with our salvation. I repeat: We have nothing to do with our salvation. It is ALL Jesus.
Our salvation was NOT OFFERED, it was accomplished. It is finished and WE have nothing to do with it. You and your mentors have created this OFFER nonsense.
The work on the cross was accomplished. Salvation is therefore offered. It is not automatic. Time and time again, it is clearly stated in the New Testament that a person must believe on Christ in order to be saved.

The offer:
John 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

What must you do to be saved?
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of the world so that anyone who trusts in Him for eternal life is saved. Anyone who has not placed his faith in Christ Jesus remains under condemnation and is not eternally saved.
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Old 04-13-2016, 03:59 PM
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NOTHING we do, including your belief nonsense, has anything to do with our salvation. I repeat: We have nothing to do with our salvation. It is ALL Jesus.
Wrong.

Acts 16

30 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 The apostles said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”


Romans 10

If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
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Old 04-13-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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NOTHING we do, including your belief nonsense, has anything to do with our salvation. I repeat: We have nothing to do with our salvation. It is ALL Jesus.
Our salvation was NOT OFFERED, it was accomplished. It is finished and WE have nothing to do with it. You and your mentors have created this OFFER nonsense.
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The work on the cross was accomplished. Salvation is therefore offered. It is not automatic. Time and time again, it is clearly stated in the New Testament that a person must believe on Christ in order to be saved.
There was no OFFER. It is a fait accompli, period. If a Lifeguard saves you from drowning, you are saved from drowning whether or not you believe in the Lifeguard!! Where do you people get your illogical and absurd reasoning. A Savior SAVES!! He doesn't OFFER salvation. We have nothing to do with our salvation, but we DO have something to do with our sanctification under Christ's agape love for us all. We need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't to attain the cover of Christ' perfect agape love for our imperfections. That is what those verses refer to, NOT salvation. We are all saved either way (our entire species).
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Old 04-13-2016, 04:02 PM
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There was no OFFER. It is a fait accompli, period. If a Lifeguard saves you from drowning, you are saved from drowning whether or not you believe in the Lifeguard!! Where do you people get your illogical and absurd reasoning. A Savior SAVES!! He doesn't OFFER salvation. We have nothing to do with our salvation, but we DO have something to do with our sanctification under Christ's agape love for us all. We need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't to attain the cover of Christ' perfect agape love for our imperfections. That is what those verses refer to, NOT salvation. We are all saved either way (our entire species).
From the Scriptures.
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Old 04-13-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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The work on the cross was accomplished. Salvation is therefore offered. It is not automatic. Time and time again, it is clearly stated in the New Testament that a person must believe on Christ in order to be saved.

The offer:
John 4:14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

What must you do to be saved?
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of the world so that anyone who trusts in Him for eternal life is saved. Anyone who has not placed his faith in Christ Jesus remains under condemnation and is not eternally saved.
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There was no OFFER. It is a fait accompli, period. If a Lifeguard saves you from drowning, you are saved from drowning whether or not you believe in the Lifeguard!! Where do you people get your illogical and absurd reasoning. A Savior SAVES!! He doesn't OFFER salvation. We have nothing to do with our salvation, but we DO have something to do with our sanctification under Christ's agape love for us all. We need to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't to attain the cover of Christ' perfect agape love for our imperfections. That is what those verses refer to, NOT salvation. We are all saved either way (our entire species).
I just showed you that salvation is an offer. It can be accepted or rejected.

And if everyone was already eternally saved, Paul would not have spoke of those who will pay the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power (2 Thessalonians 1:9).

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