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Old 04-08-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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He's the SAME PAUL in 2 Timothy 3:16.


He's the SAME PAUL in Romans 6:1.


He's the SAME PAUL in Hebrews 4.


He's the SAME PAUL in Romans 6:15.


He's the SAME PAUL in 1 Timothy 6.




Balancing NO WORKS ( Ephesians 2:8 ) + WORKS LISTED ABOVE = Applying 2 Timothy 2:15.


Balancing NO WORKS ( Romans 10:9 ) + WORKS LISTED ABOVE = Applying 2 Timothy 2:15.






The SAME JOHN in John 3:16 ( NO WORKS ) is also the SAME JOHN in John 3:5 ( WORKS )


The SAME JOHN in 1 John 1:7-9 ( NO WORKS ) is also the SAME JOHN in John 8:31 ( WORKS )




Nothing too liberal about Matthew 4:4 ( WORKS )


Nothing too liberal about Luke 4:4 ( WORKS )


Nothing too liberal about Matthew 5:17-20 ( WORKS )


Nothing too liberal about Matthew 7:21-24 ( WORKS )


Nothing too liberal about John 5:39 ( WORKS )


Nothing too liberal about 2 Peter 1:20-21


Nothing too liberal about 1 Cor. 8:2




Love in Christianity has balance with 2 Cor. 6-------2 Timothy 2:15.


Love in Christianity has balance with Matthew 7:6-------2 Timothy 2:15


Love in Christianity has balance with Psalms 1--------------Psalms 1


Love in Christianity has balance with 2 Thess. 3:10




Fellowship in Christianity has balance with Amos 3:3-------------2 Timothy 2:15


Fellowship in Christianity has balance with Ephesians 4:14-----------2 Timothy 2:15


Fellowship in Christianity has balance with 2 Cor. 6-------2 Timothy 2:15


Fellowship in Christianity has balance with Psalms 133:1------------2 Timothy 2:15


Fellowship in Christianity has balance with John 17:21-----------2 Timothy 2:15


Fellowship in Christianity has balance with Colossians 2:8------2 Timothy 2:15




Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Jeremiah 17:9------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Jeremiah 10:23-----------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with 1 Cor. 8:2 --------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Psalms 8:4-------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Isaiah 64:6-----2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with James 1:5---------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Jeremiah 3:15-----2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with Matthew 15:14------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with 1 John 2:27--------2 Timothy 2:15


Wisdom in Christianity has balance with John 8:32-----2 Timothy 2:15




If cross boasting is salvation so is applying 1 Peter 3:3-----------Romans 6:1


If confession of Jesus is salvation so is applying Romans 7:2-3------Romans 6:15


If living out the 10 commandments is salvation so is applying 1 Cor. 11-----John 8:31


If forgiveness is salvation so is applying 1 Timothy 2:9-14-------Matthew 5:17-20.


If love is salvation so is applying 2 Cor. 6-----2 Timothy 3:16.




If truth is salvation so is deception hell for people---John 8:32 and John 8:44.


If Christianity is evangelism so are the right friends-----Matthew 7:6 and Luke 14:23


If optimistic thinking is Christianity so is exhortation----1 Cor. 13 and John 5:39


If faith is Christianity so is honest confession----Hebrews 11:1 and Romans 12:3


If a hunger in God is Christianity so is ministry his way----Matthew 5:6 and John 17:9




Are We Looking For Each Other ------Amos 3:3 and Psalms 133:1 ?
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:08 PM
 
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Moses isn't our Savior, Christ is.
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Old 04-11-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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This isn't complicated. Eternal salvation from the penalty of sin which ultimately is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, is by one simple non-meritorious act of faith in Christ Jesus. No meritorious works on our part are involved. Jesus did all the work for our salvation on the cross. And when a person simply trusts in Christ's completed redemptive work on the cross on our behalf, that person receives eternal life.

While the believer is expected to have spiritual production (works) in his life after having been eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, no one is eternally saved by works.
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Old 04-11-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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Tell you what, do good works anyway.
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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This isn't complicated. Eternal salvation from the penalty of sin which ultimately is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, is by one simple non-meritorious act of faith in Christ Jesus. No meritorious works on our part are involved. Jesus did all the work for our salvation on the cross. And when a person simply trusts in Christ's completed redemptive work on the cross on our behalf, that person receives eternal life.
While the believer is expected to have spiritual production (works) in his life after having been eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, no one is eternally saved by works.
True, No one is saved by works - 1st John 1:7, and as Jesus taught the one who endures to the end is the one who is saved according to Matthew 24:13

The people of Hebrews 6:4-6 loose their salvation forever because of committing the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32

The definition of the lake of fire according to Rev. 20:13-14 is ' second death '
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Rev. 21:8
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction.
All the wicked will end up ' destroyed forever ' according to Psalm 92:7
We all are given two (2) choices to ' repent ' or 'perish ' ( be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9
At the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37 - the haughty 'goats ' are Not saved/ delivered/ rescued. They are to be cut off from life everlastingly - 2nd Thess. 1:9
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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Tell you what, do good works anyway.
Jesus did good works -> John 5:17; John 6:28-29
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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True, No one is saved by works - 1st John 1:7, and as Jesus taught the one who endures to the end is the one who is saved according to Matthew 24:13

The people of Hebrews 6:4-6 loose their salvation forever because of committing the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32

The definition of the lake of fire according to Rev. 20:13-14 is ' second death '
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Rev. 21:8
So, ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction.
All the wicked will end up ' destroyed forever ' according to Psalm 92:7
We all are given two (2) choices to ' repent ' or 'perish ' ( be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9
At the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37 - the haughty 'goats ' are Not saved/ delivered/ rescued. They are to be cut off from life everlastingly - 2nd Thess. 1:9
Actually, no believer can lose his salvation. And neither Hebrews 6:4-6 or Matthew 12:32 teaches that.

Hebrews 6:4-6 is not teaching that a believer can fall away from his salvation. The passage is talking about Jewish believers who were in danger of falling away from their grace orientation (rejecting what they had been taught about grace) and reverting back to the legalistic teachings of Judaism. The Judaizers were Jews who were teaching that in order to be saved a person had to be circumcised according to the law of Moses. Paul refers to this in Galatians, and Luke mentions the problem in Acts 15. Under pressure from the Judaizers many Jewish believers were being tempted to reject what they had been taught. But they had already been saved and were eternally secure. The only danger to them was coming under divine discipline in time if they reverted to a system of legalism.

Matthew 12:32 is not referring to believers but to the unbelieving Pharisees who were attributing Jesus' miracles to Satan rather than God. In effect they were denying Jesus' claims as to who He was.

As for Matthew 24:13, the reference is not to enduring in order to maintain eternal salvation (that would be works), but rather, the passage is specific to believers in the still future Tribulation enduring to the end of the Tribulation (not every Tribulational believer will be martyred), and going into the Millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies. The Millennial kingdom will start with believers only. There therefore has to be believing Tribulational survivors in order to repopulate the world. As time goes on there will be people born who will not believe in Jesus even though He will be physically on the earth sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem. But the Kingdom will begin with believers only.

And you know that I don't believe in Annihilationism. That's not what ἀπόλλυμι - apollumi - ''perish; destroy'' refers to. As Revelation 19:20 compared with Revelation 20:2,7,10 shows, the beast and the false prophet are still in existence and in torment after having been in the lake of fire for a thousand years, and it is said of them that even after that thousand years, they will be tormented day and night forever.
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Old 04-11-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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This isn't complicated. Eternal salvation from the penalty of sin which ultimately is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, is by one simple non-meritorious act of faith in Christ Jesus. No meritorious works on our part are involved. Jesus did all the work for our salvation on the cross. And when a person simply trusts in Christ's completed redemptive work on the cross on our behalf, that person receives eternal life.

While the believer is expected to have spiritual production (works) in his life after having been eternally saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, no one is eternally saved by works.

It is apparent that you do not know what eternal life is.

My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they will never perish.

You I do not know.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:00 PM
 
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Tell you what, do good works anyway.
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Old 04-12-2016, 05:47 AM
 
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What good works are you doing T3? There must be something?

Giving your seat on the bus to the elderly woman whose feet are swollen.
Holding the door for the person with many bags to carry.
Being an audience for the neighbor kids putting on a play.
Saying thank you.
Saying please.

Those things cost you nothing. They mean much to the recipient of your kindness.
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