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View Poll Results: Are the 144,000 all Jews? No Gentiles?
Yes, they are all Jews 1 20.00%
Maybe, I don't know 0 0%
No, They are everyone who is in Christ at his return, Jews and Gentiles 3 60.00%
I am not taking your poll. 1 20.00%
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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From what Jesus Spirit has quicken to here is that the 144,000 number which I try to avoid Christians numerology all the time because it could attract familiar spirit which God is not ........ Still the quickening is that God Spirit brought was 144,000 is divisible to 12,000 from the 12 tribes means that the 12 is the number of ``completion`` , and it no way means the exact literal number of people who are saved to the lamb ............... See this is rare that Jesus knows that I am intolerant to Christians numerology , and Holy spirit quickened a interpretation of the number
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:57 PM
 
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Gentiles are not supposed to be a part of the 144,000. Revelation says the 144,000 are comprised of 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL.

Believers of the nations will be with Christ among the heavenly realms while that is going on on the earth.
You forgot to add they are male virgins...
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Old 04-10-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Amen
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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<Snip unbelievable nonsense>
If this is the year, You are either sealed against Yom Kippur or not and we are not asked to do a hard thing to receive a mark in our forehead every year.
Every single year a decision is made on your head, and if this is that particular year, then you will find out where you stand on Rosh Hashanah.
I swear, this forum gets wackier and wackier by the day!!!
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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It's not at all wacky, if you understand that EVERYTHING in the NT is a revealing and deeper understanding of the "old". But since it got Helenized and a lot of the Jewish roots hidden or removed altogether, it's so easy to see. Peace
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:44 PM
 
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I swear, this forum gets wackier and wackier by the day!!!
Better to use the scroll bar than give yourself a headache, my friend.
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Old 04-10-2016, 09:58 PM
 
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There is one eye for Ephraim and one for Judah. There is one arm for Ephraim and one for Judah, there is one leg for Ephraim and one for Judah, there is 12 elders of Ephraim and 12 of Judah.


A body has 24 ribs that are divided in 3 section being false ribs, true ribs and floating ribs. This is why there are 24 courses of Elders in 3 divisions.


It is why there are 12 ribs on one side and 12 ribs on the other.


If your right eye offends you, then pluck it from your head so that the whole body is not cursed. If we all pluck out our right eye, will that really save us? Not physically of course, or we would be a people of one eye, but what is in the right eye?


Why not the left?


There is one eye for Esau and one for Jacob, there is one eye for Cain and one for Abel because we are two kingdoms that struggle between two ideas. The flesh struggles against the spirit and the spirit struggles against the flesh and there we are in the middle and we are the only ones who can choose.


If we follow of fleshly desires, it's because our right eye has seen something, and the right ear has heard the whisper, and the kingdom wants it, but the spirit says ,'' O NO, DON"T DO THAT.''


After a person has done a thing, he has agreed to do them by 3, he has done them by the right eye and the left and the spirit witnesses. The flesh speaks to you from 12 ribs and from 12 ribs the spirit speaks, then you decide, if you keep choosing the right side, then your right eye is bad and it will bring the entire being down because the heart followed the wrong elders.


1 John 5


7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.




12 tribes
12 disciples


One body.


The only thing that means something is the 12 alone, the numbers doesn't matter.


12 ribs are 12 elders on one side and 12 others on the right and these two together protect the heart and the heart is one. Within the heart are 4 pipes and the spirit of 4 beasts flow through the 4 pipes, and it can be a set of wicked beasts or good beasts depending on the person but a lion is always there.


You are the priest king, you decide what happens in your own kingdom.


There are 2 kingdoms of Israel but the heart{Jerusalem} is between these two kingdoms. Both Kingdoms have the job of protecting the heart and both kingdoms have a say, both will whisper in your ear with ideas, but you are the only one who can decide to do a thing.




Zechariah11


17Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.


This is a salvation, not a curse.

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Old 04-11-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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What is the truth?


Jeremiah says a new covenant will be brought for Ephraim and Judah to make them one. Gentiles began leaving Judah before Revelation was written and the covenant is only to Ephraim and Judah. Judah never left though, the gentiles left and Judah cannot join the gentiles in their Pagan practices and disrespect for the Torah, the gentile must return to the Jew.


You think Gentiles are now the priests?


If they are not priests teaching Judaism then it's neither here nor there anyway, but let's say a gentile wants God to consider him for his priest or maybe even a Levite?


Should he fulfill God's demands about this promise?


Isaiah 66
20And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.


{Gentiles being called Levites BECAUSE they officiated as a priest and brought up an offering to God, what is that offering?}


These vessel spoken of are the same vessels spoken of in the parable of the ten virgins.


Would you be willing to spend your time and money to help a Jew return to Israel, would you love him enough to be a servant?


Jesus brought a new covenant and he took the stick of Ephraim and made it one with the stick of Judah, and so gentiles came under the covenant and they converted to the 7 feasts of Jesus. They left off all the worship of other Gods and followed Jesus.


Jesus is known in his 7 feasts, their traditions and rituals.


So who really knows Messiah?
The people who say they know him but they can't even name his 7 feasts, or the people who actually walk in the 7 feasts every year?


Jesus didn't come teaching a new religion, he brought a way for gentiles to become one with Jews but when the gentile has abandoned the Jew, why would the gentile still claim a covenant that was brought for Ephraim and Judah?


Which are you?


Ephraim or Judah?


The covenant has been broken and the brotherhood broken, only a Gentile can fix this.


Gentiles waiting for Jews to accept Messiah and Jews waiting for Gentiles to accept Messiah. Which is greater, in word or in deed?



Until Israel( religion) blesses the one sent forth by YHWH(Jehovah) who is the Messiah Jesus, they have been cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)-- its been over 1900 years--they refuse.
Spiritual Israel is the new--Gods chosen ones. They serve the God of Israel( YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accept Jesus as the one sent forth by God-The Messiah, our king.
Most back in Jesus day are apart of the 144,000. Including Peter--who was married--thus not a virgin ---showing symbolism in that teaching--more like--virgin to serving false religion and govts.
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Old 04-11-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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Until Israel( religion) blesses the one sent forth by YHWH(Jehovah) who is the Messiah Jesus, they have been cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)-- its been over 1900 years--they refuse.
Spiritual Israel is the new--Gods chosen ones. They serve the God of Israel( YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accept Jesus as the one sent forth by God-The Messiah, our king.
Most back in Jesus day are apart of the 144,000. Including Peter--who was married--thus not a virgin ---showing symbolism in that teaching--more like--virgin to serving false religion and govts.
No such thing as spiritual Israel...
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:43 PM
 
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Until Israel( religion) blesses the one sent forth by YHWH(Jehovah) who is the Messiah Jesus, they have been cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)-- its been over 1900 years--they refuse.
Spiritual Israel is the new--Gods chosen ones. They serve the God of Israel( YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God and accept Jesus as the one sent forth by God-The Messiah, our king.
Most back in Jesus day are apart of the 144,000. Including Peter--who was married--thus not a virgin ---showing symbolism in that teaching--more like--virgin to serving false religion and govts.
Amen .
12 baskets.
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